#29350: "Leech implementation makes asynch games take longer than needed. Automatic leech risky to use."
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v86
案件沿革
I think the current leech system is flawed. I find the automatic leech option that is provided to be hard to use in a good way, and also risky to use as it is easy to forget updating it, and you could end up taking leech when you do not want it.
Example 1: I upgrade to a temple. Now my neighbour must accept leech before I get to select a favor tile and finish my turn. In asynch games this could take a long time if my neighbour is sleeping. Even worse, I might go to sleep before he accepts leech, and then the game waits for me to select favor tile and finish my turn. It cant take 10+hours just for my single turn to be completed. After all this, maybe I realized I wanted to upgrade to temple on another hex, and I undo my turn!!
Suggested solution: Let me select favor tile and finish my turn (including conversion of resources) before my neighbours have to accept/reject leech.
Example 2: I had a game where I was passing, and before passing i converted some power to coin since I had a lot of power income. However, I forgot to set the automatic power leech to 0, and after I passed another player built a lot of stuff next to me. I ended up accepting a lot of leech that I did not need. This cost me about 8 vp.
Suggested solution for this situation: Always reset the automatic leech to 0 at the start of a players turn, so that the worst case scenario is that things take a little more time, and not that you pay a lot of vp that you did not want to pay.
The reason for me that it is easy to forget updating leech setting is that they are "hidden" at the bottom of the screen. Maybe the leech settings could show up at the top of the screen when I am about to finish my turn (when the confirm-button appears). This way it is easier to remember setting up the auto-leech before finishing the turn.
Example 3: You might want to pay 3vp for 4 power exactly once, but no more times, as this would give you the resources you need for your plan. In this case you can not use the automatic leech option, since it would accept all leech you get until your next turn.
Suggested solution: Have a way to tell the game the maximum leech you want to take combined, in addition to the maximum vp you want to pay for a single leech. So max leech can be for example 6, and max vp payed for a single leech can be 3. Now, if you get a 4 for 3 you will accept it, but if you then get another one from the next player you will reject it since it would have given you a total of 8 leech when your total was set to 6.
So a lot of suggestions here I realize, but the general thing I want to say is that the leech system is flawed for asynch play. The current implementation of auto-leech is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget, so it is risky to use. This makes players not use it, and when players are not using it the games take a long time because often one player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech. I dont know the best solution for this, but there are a few suggestions above.
Have an option to automatically reject leech. Now, if I am offered more leech than I automatically accept, I still have to manually reject it. It would be nice to have an option to always reject leech.
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- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
