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#106918: "The scoring tiles with the combined tasks do not score correctly "
fixed: 錯誤已修復
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規則:遊戲規則有所錯漏
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
My opponent and I both had our combined tasks not score correctly even though we have connected tiles with the correct frames connected continuously.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
You can look at the final game state and see they should have scored.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
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案件沿革
2023年12月11日 13:59 •
vurtan • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
2023年12月11日 15:36 • Are you able to access the final end game state directly? If so, please make a screenshot and upload it to imgur.com
The replay will not work due to the "undo" implemenation we have currently in the game.
Otherwise I can't really check which tile / board configuration was there.
The replay will not work due to the "undo" implemenation we have currently in the game.
Otherwise I can't really check which tile / board configuration was there.
vurtan • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
2023年12月13日 19:11 • Maybe you can check this image here: x.boardgamearena.net/data/themereleases/current/games/framework/231009-1803/img/css_sprites_min.png
Let me know if you can recall which tile it was and where (column and row) it is there. Then I will check that one.
Let me know if you can recall which tile it was and where (column and row) it is there. Then I will check that one.
peyo_fr • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
2024年 1月21日 13:31 • Same observation, task with mixed-colors objective doesn't hit a correct realisation :
imgur.com/a/RgvJyDr
in this game, when I place Task 6/9/2 mixed-yellow-brown :
boardgamearena.com/9/framework?table=464586276&replayFrom=42
imgur.com/a/RgvJyDr
in this game, when I place Task 6/9/2 mixed-yellow-brown :
boardgamearena.com/9/framework?table=464586276&replayFrom=42
vurtan • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 1月21日 14:00 • Thanks for the image, that helps a lot!
The situation is not a bug, is working according to the rules. Each frame color must have a direct connection to the task.
In the task explanation stands (page 8 in the english rules, added *** to highlight the sentence):
This task requires at least 6 horizontally and/or vertically adjacent frames of
the colours shown in any combination. For example, 2 yellow frames and
4 green frames can be used. However, it is ***important that both colours have
a direct connection to the task***. This task may also be completed by using
only one of the two shown colours. Later on, the other two tasks can also be
fulfilled when the number of adjacent frames reaches 9 or 12
The situation is not a bug, is working according to the rules. Each frame color must have a direct connection to the task.
In the task explanation stands (page 8 in the english rules, added *** to highlight the sentence):
This task requires at least 6 horizontally and/or vertically adjacent frames of
the colours shown in any combination. For example, 2 yellow frames and
4 green frames can be used. However, it is ***important that both colours have
a direct connection to the task***. This task may also be completed by using
only one of the two shown colours. Later on, the other two tasks can also be
fulfilled when the number of adjacent frames reaches 9 or 12
peyo_fr • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 1月21日 14:47 •
2024年 1月21日 14:52 • Sorry but I disagree (or I missed a crucial point !)
Official english rules state, page 6 : (pegasus.de/media/pdf/87/d5/56/4250231730597_en_web.pdf)
"Important: It is not only the frames directly
adjacent to a task that count. When counting
frames for a task, count all tiles that contain
at least 1 frame of the required colour that
are adjacent to each other horizontally and/
or vertically. All tiles in such a chain help to
complete a task, as long as at least one of the
tiles is adjacent to the task tile."
Thus my yellow + brown connected set perfectly fills the task of the upper tile
Nota Bene : I've placed the task tile AFTER the connected set of yellow/brown tiles was placed, that's possibly the reason why the fulfilment was not validated
Official english rules state, page 6 : (pegasus.de/media/pdf/87/d5/56/4250231730597_en_web.pdf)
"Important: It is not only the frames directly
adjacent to a task that count. When counting
frames for a task, count all tiles that contain
at least 1 frame of the required colour that
are adjacent to each other horizontally and/
or vertically. All tiles in such a chain help to
complete a task, as long as at least one of the
tiles is adjacent to the task tile."
Thus my yellow + brown connected set perfectly fills the task of the upper tile
Nota Bene : I've placed the task tile AFTER the connected set of yellow/brown tiles was placed, that's possibly the reason why the fulfilment was not validated
vurtan • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 1月21日 15:28 • I see your argument about the chain and some other palyers on BGG had the same question:
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2998341/tasks-2-allowed-colours
boardgamegeek.com/thread/3112341/direct-connection-meaning
As mentioned in the BGG threads, there is no example showing this to have it really clear.
For my understanding, the rule on page 6 is the general one which is later detailed for that specific type of task.
Likewise the other task where you need the complete chain in one or another color.
To be really sure I will ask the designer to verify that.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2998341/tasks-2-allowed-colours
boardgamegeek.com/thread/3112341/direct-connection-meaning
As mentioned in the BGG threads, there is no example showing this to have it really clear.
For my understanding, the rule on page 6 is the general one which is later detailed for that specific type of task.
Likewise the other task where you need the complete chain in one or another color.
To be really sure I will ask the designer to verify that.
peyo_fr • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 1月21日 18:48 • OK, you're right, I've seen in one of the two BGG threads that :
"German rules are clear that “For a task that can be a combo of 2 colors it says that each of those colors have to have a direct connection to the task.”
As it frequently happens with german games, the rules HAVE to be read in german language !!! ;)
The english translation simply stating that "adjacent frames of the colours shown in any combination" is just misleading...
"German rules are clear that “For a task that can be a combo of 2 colors it says that each of those colors have to have a direct connection to the task.”
As it frequently happens with german games, the rules HAVE to be read in german language !!! ;)
The english translation simply stating that "adjacent frames of the colours shown in any combination" is just misleading...
vurtan • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
2024年 2月10日 10:46 •
2024年 2月10日 10:50 • After the next bug report (#113978) we checked again with the designer.
He states, that both colors should be treated as they were the same color.
He states, that both colors should be treated as they were the same color.
Pietr_ucci • 錯誤已修復:
2024年 2月12日 16:12 •
2024年 2月12日 16:24 • in anycase, the translation of the german rules still makes it clear that booth colours need to be touching directly the tasks, which exclude the possibility of couting them in chain as per the general rule on page 6 of the rule book (that is explaining basically that the colors can be grouped...).
if the designer himself reviewed that specific rule, they should update the ruleboook and reprint it.
if the designer himself reviewed that specific rule, they should update the ruleboook and reprint it.
Mingo • 錯誤已修復:
2024年 2月12日 16:30 • oops! I forgot to paste the links to the PDF of those rules:
pegasusna.com/media/pdf/87/d5/56/4250231730597_en_web.pdf
spielwiese-berlin.de/edition/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/4250231730597_en_web.pdf
pegasusna.com/media/pdf/87/d5/56/4250231730597_en_web.pdf
spielwiese-berlin.de/edition/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/4250231730597_en_web.pdf
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