#107708: "In tournament games, expelling a player who is out of time should be a unanimous decision"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
not relevant
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
not relevant
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
not relevant
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
not relevant
-
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
not relevant
案件沿革
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35239 #35239 (booting an overtime player should be a majority decision)
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35289 #35289 (booting an overtime player should not be permitted at all in multiplayer tournament games)
I do think that either of those suggestions would be preferable to the status quo, however.
Likewise, plenty of situations where people kick out a player out-of-time if it looks like they're about to lose, but they know that by kicking someone else out that can scam themselves a win.
Since the feature needs to be universal I think this works fine in every common scenario in 3/4 player games. The effects of a skipped game vary based on tournament type so leave it up to the players to decide if skipping is optimal for them. This allows players to expel players to speed up tournaments, which makes it better than completely disabling the skip player button for tournaments.
Tournament integrity would rarely be affected because the skip is unanimous. The worst case is that players can use it to intentionally draw against remaining players, but these are 3+ player tournaments which are generally casual anyways.
Because an unanimous decision is rare I would prefer a 50% majority among the remaining players who are within their time limit. This means actual voting to give a player extra time or not, with the possibility to start voting again 48 after a voting did not result in a 50% majority.
But most important for me is the possibility to finish the game and play for the spots in the next round of the tournament with the remaining players who have not exceeded their time limit.
This was not a significant issue prior to June, so either the players have changed behavior or the website changed how they handled being kicked for time.
At this point, until the issue is fixed, there is no point playing tournaments unless it's set to players cannot kick players.
In this game, I had run out of time but I was two turns ahead of the other player. I was playing regularly and I was kicked even though I was going to finished the game on my next turn. Also the game results were affected but the message said it wasn't
boardgamearena.com/table?table=690111464
in this game all the players were out of time but the player with he least amount of time over was able to remove both of the other remaining players. Again the player doing the kicking was not in first and the game results were affected.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=694783762
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
