#110003: "Randomize seat order when playing a rematch "
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
案件沿革
As game developers, we can control aspects of the game's specific implementation. We're not BGA employees, so we have no access to configure servers, elo ranking, turn timeouts, connectivity, etc.
Closing as not a game bug, but feel free to file a bug on the site level if this is a recurring problem for you.
That may be, but bear with me as I think I've found something worth trying. Specifically it looks like you have a variable available to you as devs:
> I believe the site already does what you're requesting when you do a rematch...maybe this should be marked as implemented?
No, we did make this game with the rematch button, and it did claim in the log that "Rematch with the exact same players detected: player order has been swapped." But, this is not true, they put us in the same seats. [This forum post](forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?p=157139#p157139) says that what that message really means (contrary to its plain English) is that the player positions are identical but the first player has rotated by one. For a simultaneous-action game such as this, that means nothing changes at all. :(
Another message in that thread suggests that you can disable this rotation behavior: en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Game_meta-information:_gameinfos.inc.php#Disable_player_rotation_in_case_of_rematch
> // When doing a rematch, the player order is swapped using a "rotation" so the starting player is not the same
> // If you want to disable this, set this to true (even if the comment in your game file say the opposite).
> 'disable_player_order_swap_on_rematch' => false,
What would you like changed within the game's implementation given that we have no way of knowing whether this is a rematch?
I may have that wrong, but at the very least swapping order is useless for this game, if not actively counterproductive.
Here are some other threads I dug up about this:
forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?p=45229#p45229 shows when it was originally implemented, mainly to appease players of 2p games, but affecting everyone
forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?p=46949#p46949 shows the same site-wide dev defending the deterministic ordering, on the grounds that lots of people asked for it (linking back to the first thread).
But again, in the case of The Great Split, there is no upside to this turn order rotation, so IMO `disable-player-order-swap = True` will be a big improvement for your players.
Your second link even supports what I'm saying: This is controlled by BGA, not by individual game implementations.
What would you like changed *within this game's implementation* given that we have no way of knowing whether this is a rematch?
One step towards this goal is to turn off this (IMO ill-conceived) seat rotation feature. I suspect that would randomize all seatings, which is what I prefer, but even if it only shuffled us around some of the time, that would be an improvement.
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- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
