#111437: "ELO problem because wrongly set as "team loss""
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
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• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
End of game
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
End of game
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
End of game
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
End of game
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
-
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
End of game
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
-
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v120
案件沿革
And not the only one introduced by the recent changes if I understand correctly the situation with the "consecutive wins" thing.
Ah well, I hope they are aware of most of it even if the admins don't answer to the reports.
Is this set?
"'losers_not_ranked' => true,"
That causes the exhibited behaviour, according to the docs. en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Main_game_logic:_yourgamename.game.php#Only_%22winners%22_and_%22losers%22
(The explanatory text "You cannot win ELO from teammates on a loss" is very misleading...)
I think losers_not_ranked should be set to false, as losers are in fact ranked in this game (by tiebreaker order of elimination). Either that or Losers should not be ranked (set to zero, no tiebreaker).
Turns out that even if losers are actually not ranked, losers_not_ranked is wonky: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=115682
But! The situation gets even worse when the setting is set to true and yet losers ARE ranked (as they are in this game). So I'd still say it's a bug to have both.
So I think the best, and it so happens also the easiest fix, is to set this to false. The results will be ranked (tie-broken by score or order of elimination as they already are) and Elo will be calculated just as for any normal ranked-result game.
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And this time it's just a win by killing everyone, no special card involved.
I have looked at ton of other non-team 4player games and, so far, I have only seen the problem in this game and in this game I saw it twice.
So, while the problem is likely in the framework, I'm pretty sure that some kind of setting or handling in King of Tokyo is triggering the bug. The coincidence is becoming a bit big for it not to be the case.
Give instead 1 point to everyone and 10 to the winner and it will be ok. (I hope)
I looked at a bunch of game from a player and the 2nd and 3rd players at the end never gain ELO.
boardgamearena.com/gamestats?player=92814398
I checked and I don't have that "team loss" problem in the following games (played at 3 to 6 players):
- stella dixit, Race for the Galaxy, Automobiles, Downforce, Terranova, Heat
In all of those games, I have seen 2nd placed player win some ELO and never seen a player get +0 ELO tagged as "team loss"
You probably know what might be different between this game and Heat so here is an example for Heat where 2nd player won some ELO
boardgamearena.com/table?table=475885410
- Either It should be set to false (that would make it function like all other ranked games. Say, Ticket to Ride)
- or all losers should have their scores set to 0 with no tiebreakers (that would make it function like Coup, where one winner takes all, always, and order of elimination does not matter)
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
