• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

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Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

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By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？

• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？