#114471: "'Forest Fires' not prevented from 'Ecological Protection Service'"
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細節描述
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly -
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
-
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
Especially since knowing that nothing will happen is extremely tricky.
Or it's just a bug.
One player wasn't personally affected by the crisis card, but the remaining (board) effects still occur.
No bug here. It's a legal move to use Ecological Protection Service suboptimally. If we were in the business of enforcing optimal play, we'd automate out the player entirely and the game would play itself, which wouldn't be much fun for anyone.
Or at least one person will understand it. Can you imagine that you would use the effect for nothing on this case?
For me it's obvious and it's a no.
Now to come back to Online, I can see why it could be different.
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I don't have an example in mind, but I suppose you could find some where doing something extremely bad (like doing an action which lead to you losing) would get an extra prompt from the game telling you should not do it.
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"If we were in the business of enforcing optimal play, we'd automate out the player entirely and the game would play itself, which wouldn't be much fun for anyone." => You could automate things which are good most of the time. That would not make the game play itself since in many cases you should do something different. But that's not great I agree with you that enforcing optimal play would be overall detrimental.
But here it was not enforcing optimal play but not doing something which is no sense.
In summary, we allow you to make your own moves, both good and bad.
- Protection said 'once per turn, one player may ignore the effects of one crisis card if [...]'
- and Forest Fires said 'The player [...] removes 1 Tree and [...]'
And so when you decide that the player ignore the effects of that crisis, that player should not do anything anymore about the crisis.
But so, when the crisis ask that player to removes trees, he just can't, so no player is allowed to remove trees.
Again I can see why in code that would be different, but when I read carefully both card, that's not the interpretation I have.
As long as we're switching positions, let me present this narrative:
1) I tried reproducing this in a test game and it works exactly how you're suggesting it was.
2) In your game, I see that the card both "had no effect" and then, after no effect, it caused the trees to be removed or whatever...
3) ...which is a little confusing...
4) ...until I noticed that the effect worked perfectly, then you drew the SECOND Forest Fires crisis card and suffered its effect.
In summary, Ecological Protection Service is working perfectly fine, but it only works once per round. You drew two of the same card and cancelled the first. There's no bug here.
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
