#11910: "Limit the rating of "picky" players at Hanabi"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
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In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In this cooperative game, many players, mainly the "higher" rank players are acting too picky! That means after they made some unwilling mistake in the gameplay - like for example the yield of the mistake are 2 discarded numbers of 3 - they just vote to abbandon the game! I think the rating system should be changed! Such players do not play in the spirit of the game - and if there is some "unpleasant" event - I just call it a challenge - they just cowardly vote to run away from the game. So basicly they can never get a negative ELO. I think such behaviour in a cooperative gameplay should not be accepted. First of all, it is only a game, You do not have to always win.
I was the one who wanted to struggle and continue the game - they just ruined it on purpose! Like why should I just stop playing if the second 3 is discarded??? Come on...
Of course it is not possible to delete the option to quit the game - sometimes the real life duties are calling - so if the players agree to quit the game, so be it. But I think - in this cooperative game, after the finnish, there should be implemented also some sort of self-evaluating of your co-players - to lower their ELO rating after they just wanted to cowardly run away!!! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v71
案件沿革
I too am in total agreement. Abandoning is frustrating, especially when the move is pulled right at the end of the game. It seems to all boil down to this fear of negative ELO. It's a shame BGA got rid of the message about a commitment to see a game through to the end on the accept page.
If people actually read the text in the log and at the end of the game they will see that as long as there are not three bombs then the game is a victory. Serial abandoners might find it cathartic to realise how unimportant a very minor deduction in ELO actually is.
Another thing that surprised me in the beginning, when I had zero or low ELO, was that I got a massive amount of rejects from high ranked players, not willing to even start the game. Only 1 or 2 actually played and gave some advise on the extra strategy rules.
Now that I'm more experienced, I can understand it's sometimes a burden to play with low ELO players when they don't understand the usual strategy.
I think this all comes from the definition of how ELO points are given in this game. Higher ranked players have little to gain but much to lose. And playing with "newbies" only increases the chance of losing ELO points.
The calculation of ELO points on a cooperative game like this is up for improvement. It's too much based on calculation for competitive games.
I think higher ranked players should get higher ELO points for playing with lower ELO players and vice versa.
That would actually be more representative to the difficulty of success in the game.
It would also increase the willingness to play with and explain rules to lower ELO players.
This would improve community instead of divide players.
There should be two game mode. One for enjoy/train, another to "compete" (as some seems to think there may be competition in cooperative game…). What we have actually is just a "no score no chrono no abandon" mode (so called training), and "chrono + score + abandon" mode (so called normal). Something doesn't make sense here.
So, what I mean by enjoy/train is, playing for no point, freely. Hence, no ELO, talking allowed, no need of chrono, abandon allowed, etc. (and why not, an undo which have to be collectively agreed, and/or a replay same deck!?) Pleasure and self/mutual improvement.
Counterpart is that ELO mode should not allow talking nor abandon collectively. *That* is the real challenge: you start to engage your points, either win or loose (either by playing or quiting). Nothing else. And for emergency case (as real life happens, we all know that), still possible to go turn/turn! Will to earn? Assume risk.
Also, if you think about scoring, there may be a competitive mode inspired by "duplicate" tarot. It also exists in scrabble and probably lots of other game. Principle is being rate against deck, everyone playing same deals. For example 16 tables each with predefined deck, and round with players rotating on tables, in a way you meet every other. Hence the goal is to make better than others in (almost) same condition (the almost coming from not having same partner on each deal). Where this competition mode is used, it's a really good evaluation of rank, almost cancelling chance variable.
Last but not least, the actual scoring doesn't take difficulty in account. It's by far easier to end with unofficial variant and/or flambs. Still a no flamb + official deal is same reward. Kind of same problem than what Metal talked about above: not scoring because of risk taken. Same way, doing -3 when it was the best possible score and no error is same punishment than if playing an easy deck with big fingers or small focus.
What suprise me about hanabi way of ELO, is that it looks like a subtle and complex process missing its target, and having unwilling side effects. In Bandido, it's +1 if you win, 0 if you loose. 5 or 6 exit, number of player, etc. doesn't matter: ELO is just a victory counter. And gess what? No picky player in Bandido =)
If they leave they will all lose ELO.
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- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
