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#13021: "Elo 400: create a threshold between strong players and expert players"

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2019年Jul11日 23:38 • Woodruff • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

This is justified by the fact that the relative strength between players is proportional to the difference of the Elo. So all classes should be equal in length. Since average players range between 100 - 200 and good between 200 - 300, this logic should be continued 100 by 100.

2020年Apr20日 12:08 • Woodruff • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

In Race for the Galaxy, I wish I could filter players above 400 because I know I don't stand a chance against them ^^

2020年Apr20日 12:09 • Woodruff • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

If you are interested, here's a post which goes into more details: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15155

Feel free to debate!

2020年Jun7日 15:28 • compte obelète • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Well, I never reached strong elo (300), but my max was 277 elo (saboteur)

2020年Sep18日 18:31 • compte obelète • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

i understand now, a 400 win against me 300 in rallyman gt

2020年Sep19日 23:54 • Woodruff • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Yep, that distinction is relevant when the game is popular, that is there are many 300-ish Elo and many 400-ish Elo, like in Chess, Race for the Galaxy or the game you told Rallyman GT.

2020年Sep27日 15:28 • compte obelète • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

The newers Elo's levels will be for the 400-500 "very strong" and for the 600-700 "apprentice-masters"

2020年Nov9日 08:51 • JollyBird • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Yes make ELO ranks continue 100 by 100 so also 300-400 and 400-500 and so on; for all games.

2020年Dec18日 10:53 • FunKyMonx • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

I am used to various chess website where the ELO actually is able to differentiate between players. On this website me and all my friends are mostly stuck at a rating of 100. In chess ELO this value is mostly around 1000, so times 10. My advice: build a real ELO system that actually means something to beginners and experts alike.

2021年Jan29日 14:02 • ozangumus • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Logical, good idea.

2021年Jan30日 19:16 • FunKyMonx • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Sounds logical, but it's only an ELO label. It doesn't affect anything else except perception of categories

2021年Feb1日 18:11 • Woodruff • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

@FunKyMonx: not only. Introducing this new "label" enables you to filter people in or out "who have that label", to improve matchmaking if you wish so.

2021年Feb14日 09:51 • ebrabel • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Please, please, please action this request asap. It's so frustrating not being able to properly filter opponents, instead having to leave the table open and then refuse to play with players below 400 (for example).

2021年Feb19日 17:13 • Ermi1309 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

No comprendo

2021年May31日 19:23 • lus • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

pohybuji se ELO 150-250 a nejsem schopný porazit někoho nad 300, vždy to SW nějak zařídí aby vyhrál hráč nad 300, při jednotlivý hře můžu takt silného hráče odmítnout, ale na turnaji to nejde, je to diskriminace

2021年Nov8日 10:29 • ebrabel • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Yes! Why on earth hasn't this been implemented yet?! Such a simple update, but would make finding suitable partners to play with much, much better! Please action this asap.

2021年Nov21日 20:07 • Wreckage • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

There also needs to be another rank at 600. One problem is in some games players reach 2000 elo and to give ranks for each 100 elo in impractical.

One added suggestion is that once you reach a level in a game, you keep your highest label even if your elo drops back down. So if you reached master, you would always be identified as a master from that point on. The new player bonus would need to be turned down since most players reach their highest rank in their first 20 games because of the crazy bonuses.

2021年Dec23日 23:45 • jackg_tor • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

New 400-500 and 600-700 ranges would be nice improvements but i think the better suggestion was mentioned in Woodruff's thread, referred to above. Instead of allowing people to restrict games by arbitrarily defined levels, allow restrictions by a user-chosen ELO range, as the Boite a Jeux web site does. If that were done, the levels would not be relevant except as convenient labels.

This suggestion is 2.5 years old, has the 7th-highest number of votes (303) and yet has no acknowledgement from the BGA team. It would be great if this could get some attention.

2021年Dec24日 09:17 • e1q3z9c7 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

EXACTLY!!
300 & 400 players are TOTALLY different level

2021年Dec25日 01:51 • jackg_tor • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

I still think that this should be done but I now have a work-around. You can use the presentation comments (replace "(no presentation yet)") with a comment indicating the minimum Elo level that you would like joiners to have. Of course, not everyone will notice the comment but expelling people that are too low is also an option, although not a particularly friendly one.

2022年Jan15日 20:42 • King of Games • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

This is kind of dumb. You already know that 450 is higher than 350. If you're playing at 450 rank, then you certainly can figure out which number is bigger without it having a different rank name.

2022年Jan18日 06:30 • TanyaTT • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Yes, ELO and player level needs to be recalibrated for particular games. There are specific games where the ELO & levels match players well, and ones in which it is noticeably imbalanced.

Seasons is a good example. Seasons ELO alogrithm needs to be recalibrated.

I might have a very close or higher ELO than a player that has played 7-10 times more games than I, in a game where experience really matters and the player is actually much better than I. It happens all the time and it makes it very hard for me to end up in games with people who are playing close to my level. I lose virtually all the games and yet my ELO stays the same and I continue to end up paired with people who've played 1000 games to my 100.

2022年Jan25日 23:26 • JeroenDemeyer • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

> I lose virtually all the games and yet my ELO stays the same

If you really lose virtually all the games, your Elo would go down (not below 100). The fact that your Elo stays roughly the same indicates that your Elo is on the correct level.

I suspect there may also be an issue of real-time versus turn-based games. For example, I'm very much a turn-based player. I play much worse under time pressure, so my relatively high Elo might not mean much in a real-time game.

2022年Jan27日 15:01 • KongKing123 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

@King of Games: your comment is kind of dumb. This is about matchmaking and table restrictions.

2022年Jul7日 23:29 • Woodruff • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Up.to avoid automatic closure

2022年Nov4日 22:46 • KongKing123 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Mentioned: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27677

Over 3 years without a response.

2022年Dec20日 17:07 • iris • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

I think this is a very good idea.
Along with this idea, 600elo and 700elo also need to be broadly distinguished. If you organize all the colors differently for every 100 units of elo, the motivation for elo climbing will be strong.

0: Iron
100: Bronze
200: Silver
300: Gold
400: Platinum
500: Diamond
600: Master
700: Grandmaster

2023年Jan2日 07:47 • bananasplay • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

"Over 3 years without a response."

This seems to be standard MO for BGA for documented bugs and reasonable suggestion such as this one.

...meanwhile BGA admin continue to implement things that literally no one asked for, like a gaudy new game-listing page and more restrictive table options. :-O :-(

2023年Jan11日 12:16 • GhenaW • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

My problem is happening most of the times, it seems casualy but very strange

2023年Jan15日 07:59 • Wreckage • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

It would be a nice option to restrict the table to any minimum/maximum ELO, by typing it in.

2023年May31日 19:06 • blockmonoid • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Replying just to keep this bug active. It's an easy thing to implement and clearly has a large number of users in favor of it.

2023年Aug26日 18:50 • shomai • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

In a game where I only allow strong players and below, expert players can join.

imgur.com/a/0ssGe3c

2023年Oct6日 13:04 • reablaz • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

They do not care.

2023年Oct16日 13:58 • Tony_the_Yogi • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

I'd like a Trophy for reaching 400 ELOs. I have 100 ELO trophy, 200 ELO trophy, 300 ELO trophy and the hardest one to reach yet, the 400 ELO mark gives no trophy? Surely BGA could create one...please :-)

2023年Dec30日 15:49 • Malo77 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

A free elo filter option when creating a game would be nice and probably enough.
As said before allow restricting tables to any minimum/maximum ELO, by typing it in is a must.
It is flexible so it can adapt to any game / elo range and needs. Would be so nice !

2024年Jun27日 03:39 • Tony_the_Yogi • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

A 400 ELO Trophy/Badge would be great! The leap from 300 to 500 is huge and 400 deserves to be recognized.

2024年Sep1日 22:51 • blackcat91 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

Good suggestions here, the option to restrict table access to player chosen ELO range should definitely by implemented. Adding a new ELO rank at 400 will be nice, Hope it will be looked at by the developers one day.

2024年Nov13日 05:20 • menettm • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

If for 400-499 ELO, a new level for VERY STRONG player is added then a 600-699 HYPER EXPERT must also be created. ;-)

2025年Nov20日 20:22 • BananaHarambe • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:

I would also like a new 400 Elo category added for more options for rated tournaments.

Most games on BGA have randomness build in so the difference in skill between 300 Elo and 500 Elo is massive with that in mind. This is often the difference of winning 50% of your games versus >80% of your games via matchmaking.

500+ rating option is often too limited in players and 300+ rating is too wide.

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