#132354: "Add Beginner mode option: Shield skills that don’t have valid target"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
Yes, not sure which move number, but it’s when Michael moves to attack a Hateful Fiend with Mighty Smite. I think the 2nd or 3rd round.
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Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Yes, not sure which move number, but it’s when Michael moves to attack a Hateful Fiend with Mighty Smite. I think the 2nd or 3rd round.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
Yes, not sure which move number, but it’s when Michael moves to attack a Hateful Fiend with Mighty Smite. I think the 2nd or 3rd round.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
Yes, not sure which move number, but it’s when Michael moves to attack a Hateful Fiend with Mighty Smite. I think the 2nd or 3rd round.
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
Yes, not sure which move number, but it’s when Michael moves to attack a Hateful Fiend with Mighty Smite. I think the 2nd or 3rd round.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Yes, not sure which move number, but it’s when Michael moves to attack a Hateful Fiend with Mighty Smite. I think the 2nd or 3rd round.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Based on Lowenhigh’s 7/31/24 11:24am ET post in #rulebook-and-game-questions, skills should not be a selectable option unless there is a valid target in range. A good example is Michael’s Overhand (BGA issue #131936). Another example is mid-way through Michael’s Mighty Smite; I was able to move 2 spaces to an adjacent target, and then if I wanted to, BGA would’ve let me me continue to move 1 more space to get to a saint, but I’d be out of range of my target. That extra space that would end my action out of range of my target needs to be disallowed.
Here is Lowenhigh’s Discord post:
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268227840508170323 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Chrome on iPhone
案件沿革
The referenced Discord post:
"I'd prefer to keep targeting requirements as they are, because skilled players won't benefit from this very much, and new players will be hurt a lot. That said, technically you always resolve skills top to bottom, left to right. You spend the action first, gain/spend the courage, then resolve the skill. Similar to demons, if you do not have a valid target, your skill ends. My recommendation for anyone looking to get that little extra juice out of the system is to stop being n00b and get more skillz so you don't need to waste actions like that 😆." - Lowenhigh (Game Designer)
BGA Guidelines prohibit removing these possibilities: boardgamearena.com/doc/BGA_Studio_Guidelines
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III-2 Be careful about player assistance
As a rule of thumb, in order to respect the original board games, you should not introduce any player assistance feature. An assistance must not be introduced if it directly helps the player to figure out if his move is good or bad. An assistance may be introduced if it can help the player to figure out what moves are available.
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"Disallow skills that don’t have valid target"
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"Add Beginner mode option: Shield skills that don’t have valid target"
To provide some bonus info: Andrew was replying to the below caution about contradicting the rulebook. He said to keep them as needing valid targets so as to not contradict the rulebook (i.e. skills are not available for use if they don’t have a valid target):
discord.com/channels/744979588366729227/792895031198351370/1268201175212232788
Here’s the rule it contradicts on page 18 of the rulebook, it’s pretty black and white:
imgur.com/a/9sqiac6
However, this has been added where it's applicable.
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
