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#13610: "Professional variant should be treated as a separate game"
#13610: "Professional variant should be treated as a separate game"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
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Google Chrome v77
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
The pro' variant of 6 nimmt is a drastically different game. Over much time, I've noticed that many experienced players tend to prefer either normal-placement or pro' rule and play that way and rarely, or never, the other. Separating them would greatly aid in finding the game that is desired. Furthermore, it often happens that a newer player joins a game that is pro' rules and doesn't know what they're getting into and had a very unpleasant experience.
I'd recommend (with publishers permission) to recolor the logo with a red background for the pro' game.
I will try to get support and votes for this idea. Thanks.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v77
案件沿革
2019年 9月29日 20:39 • headkace • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Not sure if the table I used for report has any direct relevance. Thought it _might_ be one where a new player joined and didn't understand the rules difference.
2019年10月 1日 0:26 • fufumdr • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
While I'd support the idea to make a bigger difference between game default rules and their variants, it doesn't look
6Nimmt specific at all to me.
Kingdomino (7x7 mode) or RFTG (2 phases/turn) are good examples of games which are just COMPLETELY different @2 or 4 players.
IMO, Mixing the ELO and other things, like game parameters doesn't make any sense for tihs kind of reasons, but... well, doing things in a proper way would probably be a lot of work.
6Nimmt specific at all to me.
Kingdomino (7x7 mode) or RFTG (2 phases/turn) are good examples of games which are just COMPLETELY different @2 or 4 players.
IMO, Mixing the ELO and other things, like game parameters doesn't make any sense for tihs kind of reasons, but... well, doing things in a proper way would probably be a lot of work.
2019年10月19日 0:19 • headkace • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
I don't make this suggestion lightly. Kingdomino-x7, is not as different from regular kingdomino as is 6nimmt-pro from 6-nimmt. Being required to place cards left or right, higher or lower, changes everything -- including the influence of chance. ... I appreciate that this is a radical suggestion. But, take some time to think about it. 6 nimmt! pro' is more than just a variant.
2019年12月10日 23:57 • Purple Meeple • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
There are a couple of reasons why this is good, but I also think it would be quite an undertaking with so many games that play very different with each variant and different number of players.
For instance the top couple players in nimmt play only 2-player. Most players that reach the top 5 will never have an opportunity to play them...they will never meet. So 2-player vs 5-player is even a bigger difference than pro vs normal.
The main reason this would be a good idea is that an expert player that only plays normal wont join a pro game (and vice versa) because it hurts their elo and it's not a game they excel at.
For instance the top couple players in nimmt play only 2-player. Most players that reach the top 5 will never have an opportunity to play them...they will never meet. So 2-player vs 5-player is even a bigger difference than pro vs normal.
The main reason this would be a good idea is that an expert player that only plays normal wont join a pro game (and vice versa) because it hurts their elo and it's not a game they excel at.
2020年 3月28日 22:28 • headkace • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
I would add that under current, crazy, high load conditions, this would be all the more valuable. I've found it difficult -- and at times, impossible -- to get a game of 6 nimmt! started. Dividing the pools of games that players are searching for would help this problem a lot.
2020年 5月11日 19:44 • postmans • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
This is the case for a lot of games, separating them might make the number of games artificially high.
One of the best examples of different games in one is checkers (draughts). The 4 variants: Checkers, International Draughts, Brazilian Draughts and Russian Draughts even have separate Wikipedia entries (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Draughts_variants) and especially checkers vs international draughts have completely different player bases.
One of the best examples of different games in one is checkers (draughts). The 4 variants: Checkers, International Draughts, Brazilian Draughts and Russian Draughts even have separate Wikipedia entries (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Draughts_variants) and especially checkers vs international draughts have completely different player bases.
2020年12月13日 10:05 • excel13 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
without going as far as a separate game, it is certain to be a distinguishing mark when you get into the game.
I am sometimes on a normal game and a pro and I am obliged to go and see the options each time
I am sometimes on a normal game and a pro and I am obliged to go and see the options each time
2020年12月30日 17:53 • macpuddock • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
I have my settings prefer to play pro. It seems many times people cancel or refuse to start a game because they see it will be pro. Easily experience half a dozen cancels before a group is willing to play pro.
2021年 6月24日 4:07 • headkace • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Good observation, macpuddock. More than once, I've had people quit games after start because they didn't notice before that it was the "wrong" variant.
2021年 6月27日 20:53 • Just Keep Climbing • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Maybe put 6 nimmt! professional and regular 6 nimmt! under two separate dropdowns to avoid the problem that macpuddock mentioned above, but please do not make them two separate games.
2021年 7月 8日 1:36 • headkace • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
But, why not make them 2 separate games? They are so very different.
2022年11月29日 14:41 • SquashEngineer • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
The main game screen should identify clearly which game you are playing. I like both variants equally, and often have multiple game of each going at the same time. It is essential to have an indicator on the main playing board to identify which variant is being played, to avoid having to go to the options tab every time.
2022年11月29日 15:07 • ufm • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
This absolutely should be rejected.
With this logic, tons of games with expansions or variants will be split into 'different games'.
With this logic, tons of games with expansions or variants will be split into 'different games'.
2023年 1月16日 1:34 • Wreckage • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
If they were made separate games, it would help both games, and all players involved. This should be the only consideration. Right now, it's mostly two separate communities of players who accidentally join tables they don't want to play at, every hour, every day, constantly.
These two games are as different as the games "Hearts" and "Spades". Although they use the same components and mechanics, the games are completely different. Note: The components for "Hearts" and "Spades" come in the same box, but are considered two different games.
Saboteur and Saboteur2 are sold as two separate games in different boxes, yet for some reason on BGA they are consolidated into one game.
The two "Crew" games are about as different as the two "Saboteur" games, but the names are slightly more different, so this must be the reason they are two games instead of one.
My point is there isn't a hard and fast rule on BGA about this. 6 Nimmt is one of the most popular games and is plagued by this confusion more than other games that I know of.
So I support this request.
These two games are as different as the games "Hearts" and "Spades". Although they use the same components and mechanics, the games are completely different. Note: The components for "Hearts" and "Spades" come in the same box, but are considered two different games.
Saboteur and Saboteur2 are sold as two separate games in different boxes, yet for some reason on BGA they are consolidated into one game.
The two "Crew" games are about as different as the two "Saboteur" games, but the names are slightly more different, so this must be the reason they are two games instead of one.
My point is there isn't a hard and fast rule on BGA about this. 6 Nimmt is one of the most popular games and is plagued by this confusion more than other games that I know of.
So I support this request.
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