#13853: "Tournament Prestige Fix"
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Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
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Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v13
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v13
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v13
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Two issues with prestige. First is that prestige is awarded based on number of scheduled rounds and not the actual number of rounds. This causes a tournament scheduled for 20 rounds that ends up only have 2 people and lasting 1 round worth 20 times as many points as it should be. The second is that tournament prestige is too heavily weighted for masters. In Terra Mystica for example, I recently hit master in Terra Mystica and noticed that my contribution alone for a 15 person round robin (even if less than 15 signup) jumped from 990 for an expert to 4950 for a master...a factor of 5 for a couple rating points difference. Yes Master should be worth more and I can understand not wanting only breaking up contribution by levels, but a factor of 2-3 seems far more appropriate than x5. I haven't worked out the exact ratios for the other level jumps, it seems everything up through good gives the same payout, but at least up to expert the payouts don't seem crazy. Comparing 5k for 1 person's contribution to a single tournament is worth as much as being ranked in the top 5 in the game!!
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
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案件沿革
Here's an example of the problem...players creating mini-tournaments worth 5k+ prestige!
Beginner, Apprentice, Average, Good: x1
Strong: x2.5
Expert: x10
Master: x50
If this was changed to say:
Beginner, Apprentice, Average: x1
Good: x1.5
Strong: x3
Expert: x6
Master: x15
I think you get a more appropriate scaling and would solve the issue of tournaments being worth a bit too much prestige in general (relative to Top ranked Elo or the prestige for games won, reaching Elo levels...etc).
Combine these adjusted numbers with fixing the round multiplier to multiply by the actual number of rounds instead of the scheduled number I think it’ll solve these issues.
These two changes would take one of the 2 person Keyflower tournaments above from ~5000 to ~100 points. 5000 points from a master scheduled for 15 rounds gets reduced to 1500, then since the tournament is actually only 1 round instead of 15 the round multiplier of 15 becomes 1 taking the 1500 down to 100.
Perhaps it would be reasonable to credit a positive number of prestige points starting with a minimum number of participants of 6 for all tournaments.
If there are less participants then more than half of the number of participants would earn prestige points which seems way to much.
new_prestige_points = old_prestige_points * (number_of_participants-number_of_medals_awarded)/number_of_participants
If negative, set prestige points to zero.
Examples for round-robin (3 medals awarded):
1-3 players: 0
4 players: 0.25
5 players: 0.40
6 players: 0.50
10 player: 0.70
15 players: 0.80
Examples for single-elimination (4 medals awarded):
1-4 players: 0
5 players: 0.20
6 players: 0.33
7 players: 3/7
10 player: 0.60
20 players: 0.80
50 players: 0.92
100 players: 0.96
500 players: 0.992
I don't agree with Dudi2 ideas. There many games with not that many active players that are already penalised by the fact that there are less players, less tournaments and that the average elo of the players is not so high.
I add as well that in my opinion when the tournament is on invite only it should be penalised and give less points.
The points of the tournaments once acquired stay forever, the points of the ranking stay only till when you are in that ranking position.
To solve that I propose 2 solution:
1. To give some "fixed" point for the year-end ranking. So for teh players finish first in 2019 for a game he/she could have let's say 2500 points that are like the tournaments point and do not disappear if he/she is not first anymore
2. To give a deadline to the tournaments point and delete the points of the tournaments for example after 5 years
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