#13887: "UNDO function should be implemented on ALL games where it would not affect rules or play."
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12
案件沿革
From recent plays, I see that Verdant is newly in beta and has no undo functionality. Yokohama has undo at some points in the gameplay but not others (even when no information is revealed). And other games we play have inconsistent implementation of the undo functionality.
Most boardgames on this site have the boardstate change a LOT more than in chess. Chess, while complex, is pretty finite of understanding what can and will occur. The number of elements that change state on games can lead to complex interaction of pieces, resources, and rule understanding about the state that you might not intend.
If you want to imagine it another way, when you touch your piece in chess, you can feel free to 'undo' your intended place you wanted to put it but are free to move elsewhere until you lay the piece down. Likewise in BGA if you confirm your move the move is done and it's too late then.
And another thought to consider, what happens if you made an improper move due to either the web or mobile interface? All I can see is that without incorporating an undo feature on games that allow it is frustration and people leaving BGA. If you want to advocate for a 'no takesies backsies feature' that disables undo, feel free and I'm sure developers that CAN incorporate an undo feature easily should be able to make a feature to disable it without much trouble.
That being said I also have fat finger syndrome, though I think the solution here is more of a need for all actions to require confirmation before taking any move that can prevent further undos or ending your turn.
That’s just my 2 cents!
Chess is a good example, but not for what the original commenter suggested. In most chess games, unless you're playing a tournament (or a stodgy opponent), you're allowed to take back a move. The BGA Undo policy seems to encourage that strict/stodgy form of playing without realizing that most players don't enforce "no takebacks".
Most players don't care if new information is revealed by the play of a card, because the only person that new information typically hurts is the person who revealed that card/tile/whatever from their hand. So...if it's not worth it to the player who revealed a card to take it back and play another, then they don't have to use the undo feature.
Undo buttons should not exist at all, the amount of AP added to games does not align with the fast pace of playing on line instead of person. Spending coding time on this buttons that is not related to the game rules or flow is a waste of time.
The argument saying in Chess you cannot take back is wrong: I am a Chess player and in online turn by turn Chess, you always have a validation of your move. So you cannot have a misclick.
If there is a move confirmation it would be ok as well.
For me and many others, reliable undo is a make or break for an implementation. If you don't like undo-s, cool don't use it, but I feel developers should help facilitate people play the way they want. Be considerate of what matters to us.
It would be up to the opponent to judge whether they want to grant the undo. This doesn't fix all cases of misclicks but people can usually tell when it was a genuine misclick. In online dominion it is considered extremely normal (especially at the higher level) to always give people the undo they requested if their action didnt reveal new information. Personally I have never encountered someone bitter enough to not grant it there, and id say 90+% of people on BGA would also grant it. And as a bonus: Most people prefer fast play and not having to second guess every permanent click definitely increases overall speed.
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- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
