#154868: "End game quality of life"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
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The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
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The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
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The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
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The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
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The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
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The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
----
The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
----
The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
----
The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Unless there is some objective that would make you gain less victory points by doing so, the game could do the following automatically at end of game:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Reasoning:
This maximizes money in hand at end of game and money is worth victory points whereas exchange tokens, available workers and current breeding value do not.
Owned workers are worth VP but it doesn't matter where they are so discarding them for money at end of game is a net benefit.
Using exchange tokens gives a chance to draw more workers.
And workers should discarded before using the exchange tokens if using the exchange token lets you reshuffle the deck. The order doesn't matter if no reshuffle is involved so it might as well always be done in that order.
----
The game might also drop a line in the log like "Using tokens and discarding workers to maximize victory points at end of game"
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v132
案件沿革
So it's better to do 2 (as much as possible) then 1. Don't you agree ?
Suppose you have 2 cards left to draw and 2 exchange tokens.
One card left is an engineer and the other a cow.
What you would do at the table IRL, is:
0) Discard all engineer and jokers (actually redundant with step 2 but this is the human thing to do)
1a) exchange : lets suppose you get the engineer first then cow.
2) Discard a cow at random
3) Discard all engineers and jokers (including the one just drawn)
4) Use the second token.
The advantage of this order is that you get a chance to draw again the workers that you just discarded.
If the first exchange gave you the cow first, (1b), the sequence above is still optimal (but in this scenario there is no chance to draw that engineer a second time because it's not in the deck when you shuffle it)
So the optimum is either a loop as described in the report or
1) (optional because redundant with step 3) Discard engineers and jokers
2) "Exchange" as much as you can WITHOUT reshuffling the deck
3) Discard engineers and jokers
4) Use whatever exchange tokens you still have
5) Discard Engineers and jokers
This gives the same result as the loop as long as you don't have so many exchange tokens that you can actually empty your deck twice by using them.
I think the simple loop is easier and gives the same end result:
1) Discard all engineers and joker workers
2) If player still has an exchange token, play 1 exchange token and go back to step one
Choice between options might depends and what (if any) you want to log.
1) "Exchange" as much as you can WITHOUT reshuffling the deck
2) Discard engineers and jokers
3) Use whatever exchange tokens you still have
4) Discard Engineers and jokers
1) Discard engineers and jokers
to:
1) "Exchange" as much as you can WITHOUT reshuffling the deck
2) Discard engineers and jokers
3) Use whatever exchange tokens you still have
4) Discard Engineers and jokers
A lot of players will MAYBE upgrade their score by 1 thanks to you (and they probably do not do that IRL :D)
But we do know what remains in the deck in this implementation.
But anyway whatever can be done is good.
As for having less cattle cards than hand size, well, doesn't that pose a problem anyway ?
Without a special rule, you are drawing cards ad infinitum I think.
I don't think that this add to the problem.
The loop would still work with this I think : discard all relevant workers. Play an exchange that makes you reshuffle and draw all the workers again. Then without a special rule, you have to discard a cow even though you didn't draw one ?
Then discard again, plain another exchange, draw on average half of those workers back depending on when you draw that single cow etc...
The problem with having less cows than your hand size is a problem independent from this really.
But the problem with less cows than the hand size remains. It would say that a player can pick all his worker each turn (so as many times as he have exchange tokens)... well saying that : and then ?
The loop is simple => it is wrong, we were on a 2 iteration loop, we are now in an infinite loop. And i don't like that :D
If designers see it as something that "breaks the game", they might suggest to forbid having less than 5, 6 or 7 cows.
Technically, if you play an exchange token or get a similar effect, you should draw until you get a cow and if you don't get one, you stop when everything is drawn.
Presumably, you then have to discard a cow (assuming you have 1) even if you didn't draw any.
But this mean that you will draw a lot of cards again at end of turn.
One way to limit this a little would be to rule that if you draw everything in search for a cow that you don't actually draw in the end because there isn't any, any further draws during this turn are voided (including or not the replenish at end of turn).
Another way to limit this would be to reduce your max hand size to be at most the number of cows you have or the number of cows -1 or possibly even -2. (this way is effectively a variation to setting a minimum number of cows)
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