#160719: "Use more colours or change the order of the suits"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Hi!
First of all, thanks for the game )) Love it since I was a child
Second, as I mention, it's rather hard to tell one suit from another of the same colour. In other games, as far as I can see, 4 colours are used, Above you can see my hand during the game, and I was about to think I had 5 cards of the same suit.
By the way, though the topic is another, just a question: right now there are only two variants, Polish and Russian. But the rules are numerous, and in many companies, players like to combine lots of them. Will it be possible to apply it here? I can explain more about the rules...
Thank you! • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v133
案件沿革
I initially considered Preferans suit order which is in line with the meld score (Hearts - Diamonds - Clubs - Spades), but as you said I intentionally chose this order to split the colors.
However, in the screenshot, you didn't have any Hearts...
In general, the 4-color sprite is rarely used or requested in trick-taking games, so I usually don't add them.
They are more popular in Poker games and Rummy games.
But as adding it is not so hard, I'll consider it.
About variants... I don't add less popular variants for these reasons:
- I can't implement every variant in the world. I have to stop at some point.
- Adding too many variants is actually bad, because most of them are rarely played, often confuse players and hampers matchmaking.
If you want to mix some elements, please select 'Custom' rule set option instead.
First, about the barrel. As far as I can see even in the custom rules, the barrel seems to be eternal. Once the player gets 380 or 880, they never can have less. So, there is a rule that says that after 3 barrels the player donws to zero, and the game becomes more risky.
Second, there is a variant where 4 aces are considered as a marriage, too, so to declare it, a player must win a trick with a 10. This marriage scores 200.
And one more thing. Maybe I havn't seen that window, sorry. I think, in this game, a helping window with the rules of the game, like scoring for each suit, would be useful...
Thank you again!
- Losing everything for failed barrel attempts is way too risky, considering most bids usually end up with ≥160 points and building up to the barrel limit takes quite a long time, especially for beginners who often overbid or underbid hands.
- With '4 Aces are 200 points' rule, a hand with 4 Aces and a single 10 guarantees at least 260 points - the minimum is AAAATQQJJJJ9999 (268 points).
I don't add a player aid button or table when the game rules are not so complex.
Actually I tried adding some in other popular games (e.g. Hearts) but they backfired - most players hated it.
So I won't bother with a player aid, especially when the core rules (meld scores, card ranks and points, bid process) are not subject to variant changes.
This will be more helpful than a player aid button, especially for German players, considering German variants follow Skat suit order for meld scoring (Clubs - Spades - Hearts - Diamonds) rather than Preferans suit order (Hearts - Diamonds - Clubs - Spades).
Where did you get the rules?
From the website www.pagat.com/marriage/1000.html? There is nothing there about having to meld on the first trick.
I don't know where the author got the information, but Bombs are not a common standard in Poland, it is a rarely played option.
Moreover, I lack the freedom to choose how to play the meld. If I choose the Polish variant, I have to play on the first trick. If I choose the Custom variant, I cannot play on the first trick. Why?
I would like it to be me who decides in which trick I play a meld.
If you don't want to meld, just click a card and play one.
About bomb:
I also considered 'no bomb as the default option', but during test games and spectator games leaving someone with the mandatory bid of 100 usually went with the flow of luck rather than an elaborate strategy.
Implemented as a custom option.
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- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
