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#18293: "Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
#18293: "Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
At the end
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
At the end
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
At the end
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
At the end
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v12.1
案件沿革
2020年Jun22日 08:32 • Ordoniez • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Yes, ELO system, it's a bit tricky when cooperative games, victory counts as "TIE" not as victory, in my table, both won 26/30 and ELO was substracted EVEN WE WON!
ELO System should be improved for coop games.
ELO System should be improved for coop games.
2020年Nov8日 09:11 • Khoo1 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
According to Hanabi maker, you scored 30 for a victory. According to BGA, you need to pay for a victory :D LOL None the less, I understand how players feel and voted for this to be .... thought over.
2020年Nov25日 21:04 • JoyShanti • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
game #125863429 ended with 23 points and our personal points stayedthe same.
2021年Jan11日 23:31 • hermine02_boardgame • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
game #138601527
We did the highest score 30/30 (black and avalanche) and no one got even a point.
Firefox
We did the highest score 30/30 (black and avalanche) and no one got even a point.
Firefox
2021年Feb14日 16:08 • lll030lll • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
That happened in all my games with 5 multicolour cards!!
2021年Mar13日 14:01 • IvettCs • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I wish there was more clarification about the ELOs. Since the interface changed and I started using black powder that I thought would be rewarding, my ELO scores went down by 200 in 4 weeks. I simply don't get how I get no marks for perfect games even with an unlucky deck with black powder, no flamboyant help and only 5 cards in the hand, but I get 8 points deducted when we lose 1 card.
2021年Jun11日 22:50 • Mimer • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
This happened today, as mentioned before, in a game with 5 multicolored cards. The problem might be when you play that variety.
2021年Jun14日 11:59 • spressi • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
This is not really a bug. Based on the average ELO across all players, a prediction is made how many points are likely to be scored. If ELOs are particularly high, this expectation may be 30 if only high-ELO players are present. After the game, your ELO is increased if you exceeded the expectation and decreased if you fell short of that prediction.
To increase transparency in cooperative games, the expected end score based on the average ELO across players should be viewed before starting the game.
To increase transparency in cooperative games, the expected end score based on the average ELO across players should be viewed before starting the game.
2021年Sep21日 17:09 • RICO90 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
It happened in all games with 5 multicolour cards for more than a year.
2021年Nov19日 15:32 • arisanana • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
30/30 pts, tricky colors + black powder + flamboyants
ELO differing by about 400 pts (500+ and 900+)
End score +0
boardgamearena.com/8/hanabi?table=217721068
If the only thing that matters isn't the score difference but average score altogether, I would highly suggest changing that so odd matchings with reasonable level difference even at higher levels can still earn points—just playing a round or two of being a Strong or Expert player who slipped into a Master room is enough to see Master players can have very very different expectations of what "norm" is in "conventions".
ELO differing by about 400 pts (500+ and 900+)
End score +0
boardgamearena.com/8/hanabi?table=217721068
If the only thing that matters isn't the score difference but average score altogether, I would highly suggest changing that so odd matchings with reasonable level difference even at higher levels can still earn points—just playing a round or two of being a Strong or Expert player who slipped into a Master room is enough to see Master players can have very very different expectations of what "norm" is in "conventions".
2021年Dec28日 02:52 • arisanana • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Had another run of the same issue in the following table:
> boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227210831
> 30/30 pts, tricky/black/flams
> ELO differing by about 400 pts (904 and 495)
> ELO rate +0
After playing at more types of tables now, I think this may have to do with specifically the combination of:
> Tricky Color + Black Powder + 5 Flamboyants AND either:
>> ELO rate differs by ~400 pts OR
>> ELO of one player is around 500 while the other is around 900
> WITH the given that this is a 2 player table only
> boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227210831
> 30/30 pts, tricky/black/flams
> ELO differing by about 400 pts (904 and 495)
> ELO rate +0
After playing at more types of tables now, I think this may have to do with specifically the combination of:
> Tricky Color + Black Powder + 5 Flamboyants AND either:
>> ELO rate differs by ~400 pts OR
>> ELO of one player is around 500 while the other is around 900
> WITH the given that this is a 2 player table only
2021年Dec28日 05:34 • arisanana • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227237274
Update: same as above
Score: 30/30
ELO: 892 + 467
Average ELO: 679
Update: same as above
Score: 30/30
ELO: 892 + 467
Average ELO: 679
2022年Jan13日 23:02 • iakona • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Since black powder doesnt change your end score, pretty sure you gain less elo by using it. E.g. a 30/30 with and without black powder will probably score the same.
2023年Apr17日 11:31 • Sombracier • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
The bug still occur with any "only 5 multicolours cards" mod (+ black powder in my case).
Example of the last concerned game : boardgamearena.com/table?table=367933090
Example of the last concerned game : boardgamearena.com/table?table=367933090
2024年Oct13日 23:56 • Blacktango • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
5 multicolor cards does not give ELO because it is too difficult to balance compared to other modes (because it is very draw dependent). I guess it could at least be mentioned when you choose this mode.
Maybe the ELO balance could be improved with black powder.
ELO calculation is debated in this forum thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4814
Maybe the ELO balance could be improved with black powder.
ELO calculation is debated in this forum thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4814
2025年Jul21日 23:17 • Blacktango • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
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"30/30 score and 0 point for all players"
changed to
"Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
"30/30 score and 0 point for all players"
changed to
"Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
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