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#19514: "Draws should not affect ELO and arena score"
#19514: "Draws should not affect ELO and arena score"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Since Nine Men‘s Morris is a draw game (two players that make no error will always draw, and it‘s pretty easy to play for a draw, especially for the 2nd player), draws should not affect ELO and arena scores.
In the current system, where a draw counts as half a loss for the stronger player / half a win for the lower player, this produces various issues:
- Weak players play for draws to gain points
- Strong players push to keep going with the game (or to abandon it mutually) in order to not lose points
- Strong players are incentived to create further accounts to screw their fellow competitors by playing for draws
Solution: Draw games neither affect ELO nor arena score of either player (Connect 4 shows that this is possible to implement)
Thanks for consideration!• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Safari v13.1
案件沿革
2020年 6月19日 13:17 • apollo1001 • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
This is not a game bug but a suggestion for a change in the way ELO generally operates. You will need to create a 'BGA website' suggestion rather than on this specific game.
2020年 6月19日 14:13 • aesche • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
Hey apollo, thanks for the quick answer.
Though I dont understand/agree: In Connect 4, this is implemented game-specific like this - no ELO change when draws occur. Also, I did mark this as suggestion and not as bug. Finally, seeing this is possible in other games, I dont see why I should push this BGA-wide and with that collect all the disagreement from games where draws resulting in score changes is seen as a good thing.
Though I dont understand/agree: In Connect 4, this is implemented game-specific like this - no ELO change when draws occur. Also, I did mark this as suggestion and not as bug. Finally, seeing this is possible in other games, I dont see why I should push this BGA-wide and with that collect all the disagreement from games where draws resulting in score changes is seen as a good thing.
2020年 6月19日 14:39 • aesche • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
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See this Connect 4 game that ended in a draw. In Nine Men‘s Morris, with such an ELO difference, this would lose me 12-16 ELO points. In the current implementation of C4 it lost me none, which is what I suggest for Nine Men‘s Morris.
See this Connect 4 game that ended in a draw. In Nine Men‘s Morris, with such an ELO difference, this would lose me 12-16 ELO points. In the current implementation of C4 it lost me none, which is what I suggest for Nine Men‘s Morris.
2020年 6月19日 15:11 • aesche • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
(sorry, I meant it would lose me 8 ELO and 16 arena points)
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