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#21657: "can't skip my turn although I'm blocked"
#21657: "can't skip my turn although I'm blocked"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
current move #221... game on hold• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
current move #221... game on hold• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
current move #221... game on hold• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
current move #221... game on hold• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
current move #221... game on hold• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
current move #221... game on hold• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
I want to skip my turn as moving forward will cause loss of control but I can't do that. I have a speed limit in front of me and the car on the second lane which demands higher gear then the speed limit.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v84
案件沿革
2020年 7月26日 9:53 • pabula • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
All other corners worked ok and I was able to skip my turn except this one.
2020年 7月26日 11:28 • diamant • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
You can move your car at speed 5, and the rule requires you to move your car from at least one space when you can.
Too bad for you, but you can’t pass.
Not a bug.
Too bad for you, but you can’t pass.
Not a bug.
2020年 7月26日 13:04 • pabula • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
So why move #204 where blue car could move with speed 3 was not allowed?
That's the same situation
That's the same situation
2020年 7月27日 9:38 • pabula • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I have found an official FAQ & errata to rules, which confirms my thoughts it's a bug.
Links:
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2450459/faq-errata-june-2020
box.bestpractice-publishing.com/d/2c36fa0369d84f34b4d1/
And this is what it says:
Rules Changes
Forcing a LoC using the Overtaking and Minimum move Rules
In order to prevent a detrimental gaming experience where a car can, in the right circumstances,force another player to suffer a loss of control, we are making a change to the « Blocked » rules on page 13:
BLOCKED
Whilst moving, if:
- You cannot reach the Speed necessary to overtake other cars on the track OR
- Moving would cause you to suffer an immediate and unavoidable Loss of Control due to thepresence of another car OR
- You find yourself impeded in some other fashion Then you are considered « Blocked » this turn. Your turn ends immediately in your current spaceand Gear. Flip over your Gear Marker to show you have played your turn this round.
Links:
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2450459/faq-errata-june-2020
box.bestpractice-publishing.com/d/2c36fa0369d84f34b4d1/
And this is what it says:
Rules Changes
Forcing a LoC using the Overtaking and Minimum move Rules
In order to prevent a detrimental gaming experience where a car can, in the right circumstances,force another player to suffer a loss of control, we are making a change to the « Blocked » rules on page 13:
BLOCKED
Whilst moving, if:
- You cannot reach the Speed necessary to overtake other cars on the track OR
- Moving would cause you to suffer an immediate and unavoidable Loss of Control due to thepresence of another car OR
- You find yourself impeded in some other fashion Then you are considered « Blocked » this turn. Your turn ends immediately in your current spaceand Gear. Flip over your Gear Marker to show you have played your turn this round.
2020年 7月31日 4:59 • compte obelète • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Well, somebody I one of my game Gose like, nope, not playing (when could play something)
2020年 7月31日 10:07 • Phoxtrot • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
This is not as much a bug as working with a previous version of the rules.
I'm not sure how to interpret the faq by the way:
* If the only way to make a first move is to lose control (because of another player's car but unless you have lots of damage on your car that would always be the case), do you have to consider yourself blocked or can you move forward and lose control if you want ?
It is also a bit tricky to develop, you basically have to check if there is a legal move that doesn't involve LOC then try again without cars around.
I'm not sure how to interpret the faq by the way:
* If the only way to make a first move is to lose control (because of another player's car but unless you have lots of damage on your car that would always be the case), do you have to consider yourself blocked or can you move forward and lose control if you want ?
It is also a bit tricky to develop, you basically have to check if there is a legal move that doesn't involve LOC then try again without cars around.
2020年 7月31日 16:47 • pabula • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I can't move differently then to loose control.
I know there was a rule change and some corners are changed but this one is not.
I remember moving this way was very painful for the other player but that was part of strategy.
I noticed this change immediately and I was sure all corners are changed. It seems this one was omitted.
And this is the same case as other corners so it shouldn't be a problem to develop, isn't it?
And if you say waiting will not help me in this game I will suffer - I was waiting previously as I was in Arena with other top players so loosing a game on top is causing a loss of a lot of points ;)
I know there was a rule change and some corners are changed but this one is not.
I remember moving this way was very painful for the other player but that was part of strategy.
I noticed this change immediately and I was sure all corners are changed. It seems this one was omitted.
And this is the same case as other corners so it shouldn't be a problem to develop, isn't it?
And if you say waiting will not help me in this game I will suffer - I was waiting previously as I was in Arena with other top players so loosing a game on top is causing a loss of a lot of points ;)
2020年 7月31日 21:32 • Borup • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Just implement a skip button so players always can skip their turn if they want. Then this type of bug never will happen again.
Make sure to make a confirmation. I would hate to click it by a mistake.
Make sure to make a confirmation. I would hate to click it by a mistake.
2020年 8月 3日 0:23 • ODaly • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
You can't just add a skip button, because cars are normally forced to move if able. Another car forcing you to crash is the only exception when you can skip your turn when you'd otherwise be able to move.
2020年 8月 7日 0:34 • compte obelète • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Maybe before the turn, the crash happened, but getting out, you can skip.
2020年 8月31日 21:07 • pabula • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Similar situation:
game: boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=109838811
move #463
In this game the player was not able to skip turn and he lost control of the car.
game: boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=109838811
move #463
In this game the player was not able to skip turn and he lost control of the car.
2021年 1月13日 3:02 • Irather Nottell • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Examples of conflicting behavior. Not sure if every corner has its own code or if there is some logic with a small mistake in an overall function.
boardgamearena.com/9/rallymangt?table=137780153
Turn taken on 1/12/21 at 6:26 pm, it forced me to move a 3 (or higher) across a 1 line for instant spin.
boardgamearena.com/9/rallymangt?table=137525422
Turn taken 1/10/21 at 3:55 am, it forced me to skip turn instead giving me the option to cross a 1 line in 2nd. It would of wrecked me but not off track, so favorable to skipping turn.
boardgamearena.com/9/rallymangt?table=137780153
Turn taken on 1/12/21 at 6:26 pm, it forced me to move a 3 (or higher) across a 1 line for instant spin.
boardgamearena.com/9/rallymangt?table=137525422
Turn taken 1/10/21 at 3:55 am, it forced me to skip turn instead giving me the option to cross a 1 line in 2nd. It would of wrecked me but not off track, so favorable to skipping turn.
2021年 3月 7日 15:42 • o00o_OvO_o00o • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Also observed this conflicting behavior on table table 150503055 move 701 by blue and 1023 by orange.
Blue was forced to make a move that meant instant loss of control (00), whereas orange was forced to skip their turn, while a move with instant loss of control was also possible. This yielded an unfair advantage to orange during this game.
Blue was forced to make a move that meant instant loss of control (00), whereas orange was forced to skip their turn, while a move with instant loss of control was also possible. This yielded an unfair advantage to orange during this game.
2022年 5月 3日 20:43 • theclay • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Also observed on table 262989468. move 587. Green was forced into a move that resulted in a loss of control due to the presence of Yellow. From page 13 of v1.1 of the rulebook:
Blocked
If at any point during your turn:
- You cannot reach the Speed necessary to overtake the car in front of you OR
- Moving would cause you to suffer an immediate and unavoidable Loss of Control due to the presence of another car OR
- You find yourself impeded in some other fashion
Then you are considered "Blocked" this turn. Your turn ends immediately in your current space and Gear.
If you didn't move, flip over your Gear marker to show you have played your turn this round. If you did move, place a new Gear marker showing the speed you were in when you became blocked.
Blocked
If at any point during your turn:
- You cannot reach the Speed necessary to overtake the car in front of you OR
- Moving would cause you to suffer an immediate and unavoidable Loss of Control due to the presence of another car OR
- You find yourself impeded in some other fashion
Then you are considered "Blocked" this turn. Your turn ends immediately in your current space and Gear.
If you didn't move, flip over your Gear marker to show you have played your turn this round. If you did move, place a new Gear marker showing the speed you were in when you became blocked.
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