#21728: "Safeguards to prevent poor bids (e.g. bidding Ultimo without the Pagat)"
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細節描述
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v84
案件沿革
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (holding both high honours) Trull, ultimo, pass
Thus not only announcing ultimo (which will be successful) but also indicating holding both high honours (since otherwise they wouldn't know that the declarer holds the pagat) and thereby potentially opening the door for further announcements.
Or
(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding 5+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
This works because if the declarer had a high honour, they would be expected to announce trull with 5+ trumps, thus they must have the pagat. Trull therefore won't work, but ultimo very likely will. And it is true that the declarer can expect 5+ trumps on the partner's hand anyway (they shouldn't have yielded/invited otherwise), but it's better to leave the announcement to the partner regardless, in case they, too, have 8 or 9 trumps and run the risk of preventing the ultimo themselves.
Or even
(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: Pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding two honours) 8 (or 9) trumps, trull, pass
Declarer: (holding 4+/3+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
Here the partner's trull announcement signals the pagat: the declarer is supposed to announce trull with 5+ trumps, so the partner's trull announcement is basically saying "I know you do have a high honour because I have the two others". The declarer is then expected to announce ultimo if they have enough trumps to do so - or not, in which case the pagat will be led early, while the high honour is still there to take it, to ensure trull.
The only announcement that is legal but not available on the interface is XXI-catch while holding the XXI. :) That never makes sense. (But the XXI-catch announcement brings up a confirmation dialog even when it is available because it is so extremely seldom that it can be announced.)
I still think that it could be useful to have a warning on the bid, for new players. I am not saying you would disable bidding Pagat if you do not hold it, as there are reasons for this as you rightfully point out! Just something making sure that the player definitely wants to bid Ultimo.
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
