#25454: "Game length notice, a subsitute options and a "concede" option"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(目前遊戲指示是什麼)
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
1) The average playing time for a game with the current settings is displayed befor you start a live game. If this time is longer than x minutes, there might be special warning. But this is a general requirement for the BGA Website and should be adressed there. As a game developer I cant change anything here.
2) Like the first point: This is a general BGA requirement for all games and should be adressed there.
3) This seems to be a good idea for spades. I am think adding a button "propose conceding to partner" during the bidding if you are at least x points behind might be easy to implement.
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- 其他同樣狀況的桌號/步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題?
- 問題是否發生了好幾次?每次都發生?時好時壞?
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
