#32886: "Eliminate hidden trackable information (at least when playing async)"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 請描述顯示問題。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In person (and possibly live), tracking what pieces other players have played is mostly possible. But async, it's pretty impossible. Yes, I can reconstruct it from the log, or take personal notes every turn. Better, IMO, is if all players had access to all information -- how many of each component each player has remaining.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v90
案件沿革
Because in real life in it is difficult to remember how many pieces people have left unless you have a REALLY good memory (specially in 3-4 players games). Assisting players with such information, would, IMHO, ruin part of the spirit of the game. Of course, you can still browse through the logs and see that, but it is difficult, much more like in the live game. Perhaps as an option of people want it, but it will definitively not be by default.
Perhaps, showing the number of TOTAL pieces placed (or remaining) could be done as default, I have to think about this because as it does not require memory but just to count pieces on the booard, it is much more the spirit of the game.
There is a substantial cadre of gamers who play any game where all hidden information is strictly trackable (as it is here) with open hands, and that group also has significant overlap with the type of gamers who like these old school abstract placement euros. To have the option to play this way in the digital world would be great.
I'm not sure I get the "spirit of the game" argument. There's nothing else in the game to indicate that memory or bluffing etc is an intended mechanism or element of the competition in the game, nor do a player's holdings ever change except by removal (it's not like a hidden-money game where flows are going both in and out).
Thanks for considering the option.
With 2 players, it is a cut-throat battle where every move you make matters, and I don't even think that there is an argument for why that information shouldn't be displayed that's worth making. Why not just make it easier for both players when you are able to survey the complete state of the game by counting anyway?
With real competitive games against strangers where your ELO ranking is at stake though, this really just doesn’t make any sense.
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- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
