#32974: "Using joker from table during going down VERY confusing"
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細節描述
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
Each new player struggled to get this to work at first. Many variants were tried.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
Each new player struggled to get this to work at first. Many variants were tried.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
Each new player struggled to get this to work at first. Many variants were tried.
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
In some cases, a card from the table was placed into the player's meld box (but wasn't a valid card to play), or perhaps it was the card intended for use in replacing a joker got put there (as opposed to the "Replace Joker" box). In other cases we got error messages. In all cases it may have come down to not being able to understand if a joker on the table was selected or not.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
Each new player struggled to get this to work at first. Many variants were tried.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 請描述顯示問題。 If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Attempting to go down while using a joker from an existing meld on the table
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v87
案件沿革
Not sure if a wizard-like interface could be done where you can click "Go down with table joker" and it walks you through "place complete meld(s)" "place incomplete melds" "put card to replace joker in 'Card for Joker'" "select joker to replace"
How about if I change it to work this way:
* If there is only 1 joker on the table, the game should try to use the CARD FOR JOKER card to replace it. So, there's no need for the player to select a joker.
* If there is >1 joker on the table then a pop-up would appear and the player can select which joker to try to replace.
I think I may be able to figure that out.
I really like the idea of auto-picking the joker if there is only one on the table. That makes total sense.
What if you have text in the "Card for Joker" box that helps cue? Say text above the card in the box that only appears if there is actually a card there. It could say "Joker selected" if you've picked a joker to replace (or if there is only one), and it could say "please select a joker to replace" if you haven't picked a joker.
I think it is intuitive and people will want to place the card that will replace the joker into that box. So if by having a card in that box the box then tells you how to finish being ready to go down?
(Oh, and per a different report, I also think joker selection not showing a change on-screen, at least on Chrome, is part of the confusion. Having a visual cue that you've got a joker on table selected or not would help a lot)
Of course a gotcha here is that you can be preparing your meld on other peoples' turns, and the selected joker may get replaced. Just a detail to react to as you process the notification for a selected joker getting taken into a player's hand I guess.
And it is a tangent to this ticket, but if you're putting guidance text in the boxes, it would let you add "incomplete meld", "too many cards", and "contract not met" in the meld boxes to help guide players. I think we all at some point had a 4 card set in the meld box and when you click "Go Down" you get a somewhat cryptic error message. If putting a fourth card for a set (or a fifth for a run) in the box had it immediately say "too many cards", I think players might figure it out quicker. And similarly if you mistakenly put in 2 runs when it should have been a set and a run, the last meld box for the contract can tell you "contract not met" (which I'm thinking only appears once each meld box has a complete run or set in it). An idea anyhow (and let me know if you'd like me to enter it as a separate Report for your tracking if you think you'd like to do it, but maybe not right away and you want to track it).
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- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
