#37708: "Hecate vs heroes"
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細節描述
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
31 and 48
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
31 and 48
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
31 and 48
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
31 and 48
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 請描述顯示問題。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v89
案件沿革
In cases where the interaction of two powers is too complex for us to code -or- if the interaction is causing confusion for BGA players -or- if we determine the interaction is very unfair, we will add more bans.
Some examples:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=21093 - too difficult to code
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=29287 - confusing
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=33571 - unfair
I think the official rules don't include *any* bans between normal gods and heroes, because they don't expect you to mix them in the same game (that's for expert players only). For example, the official rules do not ban Circe vs heroes, but this is clearly unfair and must be banned.
Also, the "How to play" page now lists the banned matchups for each power: en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Gamehelpsantorini
For Hecate vs Heroes, I think this can be fixed and am happy to help to reduce Hecate's ban list.
It is still my view that the treatment of hero powers vs God powers is incomplete at best, but mostly they did not consider these interactions at all. Remember, the official rules do not ban Clio vs. any heroes, but they should (it is not fair for Clio to steal a one-time power, use it herself, and discard it... nor is it fair for Clio to steal a one-time power, use it herself, and return it).
The situation with Hecate vs. heroes is the same. There's no fair way to resolve the problem of a partially-cancelled hero turn. Imagine a one-time power related to moving, where the hero's movement is valid but the building is not. It's not fair to cancel only the build portion of the turn and still discard the one-time power about movement (you wouldn't have wasted the one-time ability if you couldn't do the whole turn). Nor is it fair to let them keep the one-time power (since technically it was used). Nor is it fair to just cancel the entire turn. There's no good way to resolve this interaction. The rules here are completely broken. It should reman banned to remain fair.
I must disagree with you. I think Hecate vs Heroes should not be banned. The heroes can still use their power as in a normal game and if well used, it could be very difficult for Hecate to counter (for example, Bellerophon is a clear example of a hero that would be very strong against Hecate). The thing is, as an hero you have to make sure you use your power well. If you suspect Hecate might interrupt your turn, then just don't use your power at all and save it for later. I understand that implementing Hecate vs Heroes could lead to some changes (and that would be perfectly understandable)... But I wouldn't mind to play with an hero against Hecate, I wouldn't feel like I was in disadvantage.
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
