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#56504: "Swiss System repeatedly pairs the top-ranked player against the bottom-ranked player"
#56504: "Swiss System repeatedly pairs the top-ranked player against the bottom-ranked player"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
not applicable• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
not applicable• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
not applicable• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
not applicable• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
not applicable• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
not applicable• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
not applicable• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
not applicable• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
not applicable• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
not applicable• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
irrelevant
案件沿革
2022年 1月 5日 21:26 • Mathew5000 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Screenshots of pairings and standings: www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KXMWsD/
2022年 2月 5日 11:56 • mrdoctor • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
It seems like Swiss system tournaments make the matching algorithm go weird once it gets through one cycle of its normal attempt to not match people twice, and will then just match the same players multiple games in a row with no changing it up
2023年 1月20日 4:23 • Mathew5000 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Discussed in the Forums in December 2022 / January 2023 here:
boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28338
boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28338
2023年 6月 5日 5:36 • BBT • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=154738
Happened in rounds 14+ of this tournament
Happened in rounds 14+ of this tournament
2023年10月 4日 17:28 • Superluminal • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I can attest to this issue. I am currently tied at the top of the leaderboard in a tournament that has been ongoing for over three months. This tournament features 3-player Tash-Kalar Deathmatch games. The pairing policy "Try to prevent the same players from being opponents twice" is activated for this event. Despite having played against each participant once, I've found myself repeatedly matched against the same players. My username is superluminal. You can verify the pairings here:
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=184247
From games 12 to 16 (current game), I've been paired with one player 4 out of the 5 times. Another player has been my opponent in 3 out of these 5 games. Notably, both of these players are at the bottom of the leaderboard. I'm currently sharing the first place with rogernunn1. I fail to understand the logic of pairing players from the top of the leaderboard with those at the bottom, particularly towards the tail end of the tournament. This is the point where top contenders should ideally be pitted against one another to determine the final winner.
Rogernunn1 faces a similar issue. He's been matched with the same player for the fifth consecutive game, a player who seems to have abandoned the tournament and has not done any moves since a long time.
It's deeply frustrating to experience such irregularities, especially after dedicating so much time to a long tournament. I have been desperately waiting for a challenging match against rogernunn1, eager for a good fight. It's only logical that those at the top of the leaderboard should play against one another to determine the ultimate winner. Ideally, players like rogernunn1 and I should be paired, or at the very least, against others with high scores. I suspect that players at the lower end of the leaderboard aren't enjoying this any more than we are, continually finding themselves outmatched by the top contenders.
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=184247
From games 12 to 16 (current game), I've been paired with one player 4 out of the 5 times. Another player has been my opponent in 3 out of these 5 games. Notably, both of these players are at the bottom of the leaderboard. I'm currently sharing the first place with rogernunn1. I fail to understand the logic of pairing players from the top of the leaderboard with those at the bottom, particularly towards the tail end of the tournament. This is the point where top contenders should ideally be pitted against one another to determine the final winner.
Rogernunn1 faces a similar issue. He's been matched with the same player for the fifth consecutive game, a player who seems to have abandoned the tournament and has not done any moves since a long time.
It's deeply frustrating to experience such irregularities, especially after dedicating so much time to a long tournament. I have been desperately waiting for a challenging match against rogernunn1, eager for a good fight. It's only logical that those at the top of the leaderboard should play against one another to determine the ultimate winner. Ideally, players like rogernunn1 and I should be paired, or at the very least, against others with high scores. I suspect that players at the lower end of the leaderboard aren't enjoying this any more than we are, continually finding themselves outmatched by the top contenders.
2023年10月17日 10:33 • Arxij • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Another example with the same issue /tournament?id=185083#stage_display
2023年10月17日 10:34 • Arxij • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
*correct link boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=185083#stage_display
2024年 1月 7日 16:39 • redeemedmonkeycma • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Here's another example.
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=249834
Top player matched with bottom 3 for rounds 8&9, and with two of them for rounds 6,7,8,9
Perhaps in the interim, you should caution people not to play more rounds of swiss than floor((total registered -1) / (# of opponents per game)). Or caution that there is a live bug with option ""Try to prevent the same players from being opponents twice"
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=249834
Top player matched with bottom 3 for rounds 8&9, and with two of them for rounds 6,7,8,9
Perhaps in the interim, you should caution people not to play more rounds of swiss than floor((total registered -1) / (# of opponents per game)). Or caution that there is a live bug with option ""Try to prevent the same players from being opponents twice"
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