#59777: "Sequential Animal Draw Phase Option "
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Some players (myself included at times) will draw up to two solitary symbols then wait until the opponent has finished drawing to decide whether or not to draw more.
When both players do this strategy, it leads to a deadlock where neither wants to draw or declare that they are done drawing.
On BGG, the designer says that he would be ok with an "option to make the guardian animal phase done in turn order". In my mind, this suggestion would be implemented similar to Chocolate Factory, and like Chocolate Factory, this could be a setup option with the default being Simultaneous.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v98
案件沿革
If I were playing the game in real life, I think we'd either agree not to look or just force players to commit starting from the First Player marker. There are a number of games out there where it usually doesn't matter and players can perform their actions at the same time, but there's a defined order which players can use as needed. (Roll for the Galaxy has this sort of rule, but I don't know how (or if) it's implemented on BGA.)
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2816755/drawing-animals-deadlock
I don't understand the point of revealing the drawn cards while players are creating their line (no matter the competition level).
IMO, it's just flawed
- Checking what other players did doesn't seem to be the designer's intent here.
- This can lead to mentionned deadlocks. No need to play arena, if you try to win even a bit, weighting decisions is a normal thing, and knowing current risks is part of it.
- And it SPAMS the gamelog with a bunch of USELESS lines mixing "Alice draws @2#3", "Bob draws §1£1¤2", "Carl draws #2§1¤2", etc., making it barely readable
(I gave up both last times I tried to look for something in the log on this game... quite annoying)
I perfectly understand that the designer didn't initially think of this, but now that the issue is raised, why not fix it completely ?
Thanks for you opinion, but drawing simultaneously is part of the game, whether you like it or not.
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
