#60936: "Allow multiple simultaneous trade offers"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 請描述顯示問題。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Unless I'm missing something, you can only propose one trade at a time. In a turn-based game, that means proposing "wheat for brick," waiting a day for everyone to say no, then proposing "wood for brick," etc.
The Bohnanza implementation on BGA tries to make trades more bearable by allowing all players to offer as many trades as they want, including on other players' turns. It may be that negotiation just doesn't work well without voice chat, but I think copying Bohnanza's approach would be an improvement. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v99
案件沿革
NA (for Resources not available)
Refuse should be one time without confirmation window.
Refuse all offers.
Or a text based proposal, where you can say what you have and they can propose the matching trade, but that runs into language issues.
right now the trading phase is sometimes quite annoying.
especially if your opponents say they don't want to trade anymore, but you still have some other options to offer
Both the passive and active players should be able to post a trade so that more communication can be made between each player action. I was reluctant to offer more than 1-2 trades per turn because waiting for responses, mostly declined, slowed the game down. Doing this would allow all players to engage more in trading.
The implementation of trade in bohnanza may be a good place to start.
Without an improvement, or easier faster trade this game will play like Abyss, which is interminable as an asynchronous game.
Both the passive and active players should be able to post a trade so that more communication can be made between each player action. I was reluctant to offer more than 1-2 trades per turn because waiting for responses, mostly declined, slowed the game down. Doing this would allow all players to engage more in trading.
The implementation of trade in bohnanza may be a good place to start.
Without an improvement, or easier faster trade this game will play like Abyss, which is interminable as an asynchronous game.
Btw, buttons to refuse trade per resources or players would be welcome (to our perfect island) too.
Anyway, I'll probably post a 12th "suggestion about trade" to sum all this mess up ^^
It would be very time saving if we could setup a custom list of trades for turn based games.
Example: 1 brick for a 1 wood. If everyone declines it automatically starts a trade with 2 brick for 1 wood and if everyone declines it automatttically starts my offer with 1 brick and 1 sheep for 1 wood.
An option to auto pass if still everyone declines after that would be the cherry on top of the cake.
I also read this at first as effective "three way trades", which would also be neat.
Auto-reject trades when I don't have the material, this would save a lot of time
This would be in addition to 'alert me when X Y Z' is asked for or offered.
par exemple "construction de route" + "prendre 2 ressources"
ou utiliser 2 chevaliers au même tour.
Est-ce normal?
This is in error.
The first comment, from 22 0406 at 19:14 should have been:
A player that wishes to trade should be able to post multiple offers with the same or different resources so that more trades can be considered by other players without having to post, review, and resolve each trade individually and over many player actions.
This was my original comment in favor of multiple trading offers.
The comment at 19:15 is correct and is my original comment in favor of simultaneous trading.
This should stand, unchanged.
On a related note, its been over a year since Cat an was promoted from beta to live play, why are this and other similar comments are still awaiting analysis by the developers?
Have the developers abandoned the game?
Who are the thousands of people playing this game and do they have an experience similar to a game irl?
I couldn't get past the long waits between offers and the many days that it may take to run through a handful of proposals.
Are all these players much more patient?
Are they playing 8+ turns a day?
I know that this bug doesn't break the game rules, but it seems to be a significant improvement in the playing experience that is valued by scores of players and therefore worth spending time on.
I understand that the developers are volunteers and am grateful for their contribution.
I don't understand why the players' contributions (play, analysis, reporting, and problem solving) remain unacknowledged.
If any player agrees with this bug recommendation, then please up vote it and related recommendations:
60912
61025
62039
And review a summary of these and other trade improvements:
63323
Thank you
example
Just If I stay 8,6,10 .. we play only 11,7
I stay 10,9,11... we play only 6,7
from 250Elo , 30 games ca. only 100.
and alway win Elo 230, 250, like they are cheating or system prefer numbers, where stay Elo more than, 200
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Because I'm willing to get 1 Wood and 1 Brick, or 1 Wheat and 1 Stone, either offering 1 Wood or 2 Stones.
So I would:
- offer 1 Wood + 2 Stones
- demand 1 Wood + 1 Stone + 1 Brick + 1 Wheat
Just cancel counter-offer with 1 Wood for 1 Wood ^^
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- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
