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I remember a very old online version that showed dice statistics.
It doesn't add any real quality to the game, I agree for that.
It just relaxes me a bit if I see someone winning because his 11 is rolled more often than my 6 (not because I am a bad player)
And we kept screenshots of crazy statistics, winning a game with 8 times a 2 roll and only 2 times an 8 roll for example :-)
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2022年 5月 4日 22:26 • lordalx • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Dice statistics are already part of end game statistics.
This is already implemented and since no die roll is related to previous, I don't see the point of having such stat display during the game itself.
This is already implemented and since no die roll is related to previous, I don't see the point of having such stat display during the game itself.
2022年 6月15日 23:16 • camillemayer • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
the "old online version" is Brettspielwelt (which I think is still on, actually), and I agree it was very interesting to have access to real time statistics. Also, the display was a histogram of the number of times the number rolled (without showing the %), and I think it was more appropriate :)
2022年 6月22日 6:44 • Respublik • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
While I like this suggestion for my game's enjoyment, having the site present dice stats live doesn't feel at all in the spirit of the game.
2022年 6月24日 16:48 • joel2v32 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
This feature use to be on "Asobrain" which was similar to Catan.
As the game continued you would see how many times a dice was rolled.
I agree this is nice to have during the game to see how many times certain dice were rolled.
I've only played two games, but in both games felt the 10 and 8 were unfairly under rolled.
As the game continued you would see how many times a dice was rolled.
I agree this is nice to have during the game to see how many times certain dice were rolled.
I've only played two games, but in both games felt the 10 and 8 were unfairly under rolled.
2022年 6月30日 19:03 • djabwana • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Yes the real time display is helpful when you try to negotiate with players and say things like "I only ever got 1 wheat from that spot, please don't block it". It's helpful to make sure you're being accurate based on the history of dice that was rolled (And since it's in the game log, it's not new information, just collecting it into a popup or tooltip somewhere)
2022年 6月30日 19:04 • djabwana • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Maybe we should update the title of this ticket though to indicate "real time" or "in game"
Thank you for adding it to the end of game display!
Thank you for adding it to the end of game display!
2022年 7月 4日 0:05 • ptitours de lyon • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Could you also verify on several games that the dice are realy normals : I saw realy too unprobable score : 3 and 11 particulary. A mesure on each games could measure the fair of dice
2022年 7月16日 9:03 • caz_manc • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
There is a problem with the three player game where the numbers are not random. Sometimes it gets stuck on a number which comes up 3 times in a row, and sometimes numbers don't come up at all in the whole game.
2022年 7月19日 0:09 • LordMouton • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Dice statistics are weird almost every game.
Last one I played :
3 - 9 times
4 - 15
5 - 13
6 - 19
7 - 11
8 - 11
9 - 6
10 - 4
11 - 6
12 - 6
Last one I played :
3 - 9 times
4 - 15
5 - 13
6 - 19
7 - 11
8 - 11
9 - 6
10 - 4
11 - 6
12 - 6
2022年 7月28日 10:07 • ScreamingWheels • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I agree that the random number generator being used is broken and not fit for purpose - it clearly is not providing a distribution you would expect from two D6. Statistics would only serve to emphasise this. BGA just need to fix the RNG otherwise game is not playable.
2022年 7月28日 10:09 • ScreamingWheels • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
A.normal distribution from 2D6 is ESSENTIAL for this game to function correctly - it is ALL about resource selection based on probability
2022年 7月29日 19:40 • LordMouton • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
again and again and again...
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%) 0
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%) 12
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%) 13
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%) 12
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%) 7
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%) 19
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%) 15
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%) 9
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%) 5
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%) 8
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%) 0
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%) 0
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%) 12
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%) 13
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%) 12
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%) 7
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%) 19
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%) 15
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%) 9
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%) 5
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%) 8
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%) 0
2022年 8月 5日 16:43 • PeteZah • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I can confirm the camillemayer suggestion. On BSW, a panel contained an histogram automatically refreshed after each dice throw. It was just as information, but it avoid a lot of non fact-based messages in the chat. For me, display it during the game is really a simple implementation and can make the ambiance better during the game
2022年 8月 7日 7:19 • Bhaouloute • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
As a turn-base game player, i agree with the suggestion ! To get an idea of what ressources are available for trade or theft, I have to scroll a long time through the game log. A real time dice throw stats display would be a great improvement for me.
2022年 8月10日 14:50 • MrBeardy • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
the old playcatan website of circa 2010 used to have this "number of dice rolls" histogram. It was off by default but users could click a button to display it if they wanted to. It was useful to see what the distribution was when you couldn't understand why you were doing so badly, to see that 3 and 11 had come up loads and your 5-6-9 combo hadn't happened much (at that point) and then later you could see the distribution change. Or sometimes not change and you could just chalk it down to weird dice that game. It's not essential but it is useful. Particularly when you get a whiner in the chat who thinks the game is persecuting them etc.
2022年 8月16日 14:02 • nerhael • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I feel like the dice stats can't be right. I just finished a game that claims 5 was rolled 13 times, yet I produced only 9 brick. However, I started settlement on a 5 brick, and it was my first upgrade to a city early game, there was never a robber on it, so how is that possible?
2022年 8月23日 9:10 • Kabresh • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
When in the beginning of a game a number rolls a couple of times, hurry and put a house next to it.
In most games i played, the randomniser has a favorite number.
Would be nice if bga checked on there randomniser
In most games i played, the randomniser has a favorite number.
Would be nice if bga checked on there randomniser
2022年 8月29日 16:57 • mileswiles • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
it's shaming those dices. I've played a game than 9 is rolled EVERY TIME.
2022年 9月20日 4:49 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
As a mathematician with a graduate degree, I agree that the random number generator for Catan needs to be looked at. The last game I played had 8 and 9 rolled twice as much as they would have been in a normal distribution and 5 rolled half as much, but more notably the die clearly favored one player and punished one player. I've noticed this now on many games. It's really not fun to play with a die that is so obviously not random.
2022年 9月20日 8:03 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Just played a game with 4 elevens rolled in the first nine rolls (probability of that happening is about 6 in 10,000)
2022年 9月21日 2:34 • MrBeardy • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
re my post above, the histogram was real time (in game) not limited to end game stats. There were also useful summary tallies of how many resources each player had received/traded/had blocked/had robbed/received by robbery available in real time too. It was far more useful in-game and easier to read than the end game table presented on BGA.
2022年10月15日 19:59 • JackyJansen • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Playing a lot, and it seams the algorithm has 'habits". I just had a game where a player threw 7 times 7 in consecutive turns, games with hardly 6 or 8, but an amazing amount of 5 and 9. Even games where there were more 2 and 12 than 4 or 10. Distribution is weird, to say the least.
2022年10月19日 3:38 • soleada • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Please look at the game table #309741100
Dice roll: rate of 2 (~3%)
0
Dice roll: rate of 3 (~6%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 4 (~8%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 5 (~11%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 6 (~14%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 7 (~17%)
19
Dice roll: rate of 8 (~14%)
16
Dice roll: rate of 9 (~11%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 10 (~8%)
23
Dice roll: rate of 11 (~6%)
12
Dice roll: rate of 12 (~3%)
5
How is this even possible?
Distribution skewed heavily. Also almost no 6s but a million 10s.
Something is seriously off with probabilities of Catan, since this happens a lot.
Almost every game probabilities are off.
Dice roll: rate of 2 (~3%)
0
Dice roll: rate of 3 (~6%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 4 (~8%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 5 (~11%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 6 (~14%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 7 (~17%)
19
Dice roll: rate of 8 (~14%)
16
Dice roll: rate of 9 (~11%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 10 (~8%)
23
Dice roll: rate of 11 (~6%)
12
Dice roll: rate of 12 (~3%)
5
How is this even possible?
Distribution skewed heavily. Also almost no 6s but a million 10s.
Something is seriously off with probabilities of Catan, since this happens a lot.
Almost every game probabilities are off.
2022年10月24日 7:20 • donkeyboy72 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I can only echo that the dice do not follow the probabilities at all. The distribution of rolls is not anywhere near how it should be. Please look into it. It is very frustrating for many players. I can't chalk ot up to a fluke, as many games as I have played now.
2022年12月 2日 20:39 • Jevanyn • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I've been accumulating dice totals across multiple games, to see if there is sufficient regression toward the mean.
That being said, the dice totals are incorrect at the end of a game. For example:
boardgamearena.com/8/catan?table=322970460
There were 58 player turns, but the dice rolls add up to 101. If you're already showing %age for each roll, why are the actual counts scaled up to ~100? I've seen this for multiple games: the total number of turns will be 50-60 but the number of rolls is ~100.
That being said, the dice totals are incorrect at the end of a game. For example:
boardgamearena.com/8/catan?table=322970460
There were 58 player turns, but the dice rolls add up to 101. If you're already showing %age for each roll, why are the actual counts scaled up to ~100? I've seen this for multiple games: the total number of turns will be 50-60 but the number of rolls is ~100.
2022年12月 5日 0:35 • TedinTO • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I definitely agree that the dice do not follow expected probabilities. In my experience this has worsened to the point that the winner of most games of experienced players is (in effect) the dice, not the "winning" player.
Although I try to counter this reality by placing my initial settlements close to as many different numbers as possible, almost invariably the dice decide to fixate on the numbers to which I am not adjacent (i.e. 5s and 9s - or worse - when I am near both 6s and 8s.)
Although I really like the game concept, this flaw has led me to quit one or two games in extreme frustration and consider giving up playing the game entirely.
Although I try to counter this reality by placing my initial settlements close to as many different numbers as possible, almost invariably the dice decide to fixate on the numbers to which I am not adjacent (i.e. 5s and 9s - or worse - when I am near both 6s and 8s.)
Although I really like the game concept, this flaw has led me to quit one or two games in extreme frustration and consider giving up playing the game entirely.
2022年12月30日 2:26 • starman72 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I also agree that the dice statistics are off. Not enough 6's and too many 8's and 10's.
The community has picked up on this-- good players take "8" locations in preference over "6" locations.
The community has picked up on this-- good players take "8" locations in preference over "6" locations.
2023年 1月31日 21:34 • chobo21 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Game ID # 342287246 Bug, cheating or just strange luck?
Winning player rolled 7 seven times out of eighteen rolls while myself and third player each rolled only two 7's apiece. I'm salty because I think I objectively had the best board setup and probability to win.
Winning player rolled 7 seven times out of eighteen rolls while myself and third player each rolled only two 7's apiece. I'm salty because I think I objectively had the best board setup and probability to win.
2023年 2月14日 6:07 • judyjay • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Dice is not random. our game had at least 15 tens rolled and 1 six.
2023年 2月14日 6:23 • judyjay • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
ID
Dice roll: rate of 2 (~3%)
4
Dice roll: rate of 3 (~6%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 4 (~8%)
11
Dice roll: rate of 5 (~11%)
11
Dice roll: rate of 6 (~14%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 7 (~17%)
13
Dice roll: rate of 8 (~14%)
13
Dice roll: rate of 9 (~11%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 10 (~8%)
21
Dice roll: rate of 11 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 12 (~3%)
2
ID
Dice roll: rate of 2 (~3%)
4
Dice roll: rate of 3 (~6%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 4 (~8%)
11
Dice roll: rate of 5 (~11%)
11
Dice roll: rate of 6 (~14%)
2
Dice roll: rate of 7 (~17%)
13
Dice roll: rate of 8 (~14%)
13
Dice roll: rate of 9 (~11%)
9
Dice roll: rate of 10 (~8%)
21
Dice roll: rate of 11 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 12 (~3%)
2
2023年 3月10日 6:02 • WeLoveKoyori • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
table=355087901
Here's another extreme example where I got demolished because I produced only a total of 25 resources in the whole game (ofc without intentionally choosing bad locations).
Dice roll: rate of 2 (~3%)
0
Dice roll: rate of 3 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 4 (~8%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 5 (~11%)
18
Dice roll: rate of 6 (~14%)
5
Dice roll: rate of 7 (~17%)
15
Dice roll: rate of 8 (~14%)
21
Dice roll: rate of 9 (~11%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 10 (~8%)
13
Dice roll: rate of 11 (~6%)
3
Dice roll: rate of 12 (~3%)
6
Here's another extreme example where I got demolished because I produced only a total of 25 resources in the whole game (ofc without intentionally choosing bad locations).
Dice roll: rate of 2 (~3%)
0
Dice roll: rate of 3 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 4 (~8%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 5 (~11%)
18
Dice roll: rate of 6 (~14%)
5
Dice roll: rate of 7 (~17%)
15
Dice roll: rate of 8 (~14%)
21
Dice roll: rate of 9 (~11%)
6
Dice roll: rate of 10 (~8%)
13
Dice roll: rate of 11 (~6%)
3
Dice roll: rate of 12 (~3%)
6
2023年 3月10日 21:25 • nocheatspls • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
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2023年 3月21日 20:38 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
@Jevanyn, I applaud and support your efforts to analyze the statistics of these weird dice over many games. The end-game stats do not tally number of rolls for each possible outcome, but rather the percentage of each outcome (rounded to the nearest percent).
2023年 4月 2日 15:49 • Furious-Sep • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Hi .... I absolutely agree ... It's normal that soetimes à numbre ocures more often ... but here there's really a problem..... 24 times 6 agaist 12 times 8?????
Guys you have to fix this..... ant in every game there are strange things.
Chance is part of the game ... bur normally there's also strategy.... and on BGA it really onlt luck.
Guys you have to fix this..... ant in every game there are strange things.
Chance is part of the game ... bur normally there's also strategy.... and on BGA it really onlt luck.
2023年 4月 5日 23:14 • Furious-Sep • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Table 364028514 - April 5th 2023
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%)
9
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%)
4
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%)
1
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%)
21
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%)
9
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%)
14
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%)
13
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%)
12
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%)
5
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%)
8
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%)
4
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%)
9
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%)
4
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%)
1
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%)
21
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%)
9
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%)
14
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%)
13
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%)
12
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%)
5
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%)
8
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%)
4
2023年 4月 5日 23:16 • Furious-Sep • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
See above
.... 9 times 2, 8 times 11 and 9 times 6
... 21 times 5
We had a lot of fun with the dices lol ... but it's impossible to develop a strategy with that
.... 9 times 2, 8 times 11 and 9 times 6
... 21 times 5
We had a lot of fun with the dices lol ... but it's impossible to develop a strategy with that
2023年 4月 6日 6:48 • firstpn • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
if you can't fix this problem . I'll stop playing permanently
2023年 4月 7日 10:20 • agentlik • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=364487743
Last 12 turns - 8 dropped 8 times (75%). Player with house on "8" won the game. Because 75% is too much.
8-3-8-8-8-7-8-8-8-6-7-8 - last 12 turns
Last 12 turns - 8 dropped 8 times (75%). Player with house on "8" won the game. Because 75% is too much.
8-3-8-8-8-7-8-8-8-6-7-8 - last 12 turns
2023年 4月18日 16:32 • lecasgb • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%)
6
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%)
3
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%)
3
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%)
11
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%)
2
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%)
20
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%)
17
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%)
13
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%)
16
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%)
5
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%)
5
Same thing ...
Table 368335739
Moreover, it say that there was 2 roll 6 but i saw only one. I saw the game another time and there was only one 6. So only 1 six on 76 rolls...
6
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%)
3
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%)
3
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%)
11
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%)
2
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%)
20
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%)
17
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%)
13
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%)
16
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%)
5
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%)
5
Same thing ...
Table 368335739
Moreover, it say that there was 2 roll 6 but i saw only one. I saw the game another time and there was only one 6. So only 1 six on 76 rolls...
2023年 4月27日 14:54 • lecasgb • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Table 371364965
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%)
5
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%)
0
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%)
14
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%)
12
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%)
14
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%)
12
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%)
5
Same thing... A lot of 10 and 11
Lancer de dés : taux de 2 (~3%)
5
Lancer de dés : taux de 3 (~6%)
0
Lancer de dés : taux de 4 (~8%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 5 (~11%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 6 (~14%)
14
Lancer de dés : taux de 7 (~17%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 8 (~14%)
10
Lancer de dés : taux de 9 (~11%)
12
Lancer de dés : taux de 10 (~8%)
14
Lancer de dés : taux de 11 (~6%)
12
Lancer de dés : taux de 12 (~3%)
5
Same thing... A lot of 10 and 11
2023年 5月 6日 0:20 • goldlyn • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
out of the last 6 dice rolls, five (5!!!) were 7's. That means no one could make amove for 5 of the 7 turns. Ridiculous. Unacceptable. PLEASE FIX!!!
Table #373853551
Move #50
Progression 0%
Table #373853551
Move #50
Progression 0%
2023年 5月 6日 0:21 • goldlyn • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
What more information do you want in order to look into this bug???
2023年 5月18日 9:02 • Crowdel • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Commenting to maintain relevance of this issue. It needs fixing. When you have a settlement next to 1 of every number but 9 and 10 but then the one player who placed almost exclusively there wins by a mile because of die rolls... Not fun. Table #378262691
2023年 6月 5日 20:04 • real_vpp • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Pattern I am seeing almost any Catan game now: It comes a moment in the game when only two dices are thrown: 4, 6 with some 7 cherry on top, over and over. Literally insane to play in such conditions.
Sample: Catan game 384257740
Sample: Catan game 384257740
2023年 6月 8日 22:29 • Yamoa • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Bonsoir,
Je ne sais pas si le sujet à déjà été abordé? Je ne vais pas parler des probabilité générale mais dans des cas spéciaux ou les probabilité semble être modifiées : 1) lorsque le voleur est sur un numéro, celui-ci sort beaucoup plus souvent juste après. 2) Lorsque j'ai plus de 7 cartes à mon tour, la probabilité que le 7 sorte passe de 16.67% à 50%. 3) lorsqu'une colonie est construite, trés souvent le numéro qui sort juste après est situé sur une case adjacente à la nouvelle colonie.
Je ne suis pas le seul à l'avoir remarqué?!
Good evening,
I don't know if this topic has been covered before? I'm not going to talk about the general probability but in special cases where the probability seems to be modified: 1) when the thief is on a number, it comes out much more often just after. 2) When I have more than 7 cards in my turn, the probability that the 7 comes out goes from 16.67% to 50%. 3) when a colony is built, very often the number that comes out right after is located on a square adjacent to the new colony.
I'm not the only one who noticed this?!
Je ne sais pas si le sujet à déjà été abordé? Je ne vais pas parler des probabilité générale mais dans des cas spéciaux ou les probabilité semble être modifiées : 1) lorsque le voleur est sur un numéro, celui-ci sort beaucoup plus souvent juste après. 2) Lorsque j'ai plus de 7 cartes à mon tour, la probabilité que le 7 sorte passe de 16.67% à 50%. 3) lorsqu'une colonie est construite, trés souvent le numéro qui sort juste après est situé sur une case adjacente à la nouvelle colonie.
Je ne suis pas le seul à l'avoir remarqué?!
Good evening,
I don't know if this topic has been covered before? I'm not going to talk about the general probability but in special cases where the probability seems to be modified: 1) when the thief is on a number, it comes out much more often just after. 2) When I have more than 7 cards in my turn, the probability that the 7 comes out goes from 16.67% to 50%. 3) when a colony is built, very often the number that comes out right after is located on a square adjacent to the new colony.
I'm not the only one who noticed this?!
2023年 6月 9日 6:52 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
@Yamoa, I love these observations. I have noticed
#1 for sure (if I want my 10 to be rolled, I put the robber on the other 10 - it doesn't guarantee it, but seems to increase the probability)
#2 I have found this to be true as well, but usually it does not happen to the player with the lowest elo at the table (or perhaps, not to the current loser).
#3 I haven't noticed this, but I will keep an eye out for it
My observations
#4 The dice rolls, especially in the first half of the game, in the first half of the game often benefit one player, based on their initial settlements. This person who benefits also tends to roll more 7's (but not when their hand is over limit)
#1 for sure (if I want my 10 to be rolled, I put the robber on the other 10 - it doesn't guarantee it, but seems to increase the probability)
#2 I have found this to be true as well, but usually it does not happen to the player with the lowest elo at the table (or perhaps, not to the current loser).
#3 I haven't noticed this, but I will keep an eye out for it
My observations
#4 The dice rolls, especially in the first half of the game, in the first half of the game often benefit one player, based on their initial settlements. This person who benefits also tends to roll more 7's (but not when their hand is over limit)
2023年 6月18日 1:30 • Andretapol • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
A few weeks ago I noticed that the behavior of the dice is strange according to statistics.
According to the statistics that the game proposes, the numbers that should appear the most are 8 and 6, but there are games where 6 rarely appears and 8 very rarely. Instead 5 or 3 seem to be the new 6 and 8.
This conspires against the nature of the game.
According to the statistics that the game proposes, the numbers that should appear the most are 8 and 6, but there are games where 6 rarely appears and 8 very rarely. Instead 5 or 3 seem to be the new 6 and 8.
This conspires against the nature of the game.
2023年 7月17日 6:19 • thirano • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Both dice and chance cards behave unusually
Random number generation apparently not working properly
Random number generation apparently not working properly
2023年 7月17日 7:04 • thirano • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
i.imgur.com/8uF5MzF.png
Is it normal for the first four chance cards to be scoring cards?
Is it normal for the first four chance cards to be scoring cards?
2023年 7月17日 22:46 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
4 in 10,000 chance of pulling 4 victory points cards in the first four picks
2023年 7月29日 22:51 • thirano • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Random number generation is clearly not working properly.
When will this bug be fixed?
When will this bug be fixed?
2023年 8月 7日 10:58 • sergut • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I agree with lordax: this suggestion does not add anything to the game.
Additionally, it will make the game experience poorer, encouraging people with a poor sense of statistics to complain about the random number generator to be buggy when it is not.
A game of Catan typically involves between 60 and 90 die rolls. Those are not Large Numbers. That is too little to make it very likely that the distribution of results will always look like a normal distribution. There is nothing weird about a game of Catan where 3 is rolled more often than 8 --- also on a physical table, with real dice. (If you aggregated all the roll dice from all the games, then you would clearly see 8 being rolled more often, but in any particular game anything can happen.)
And yet, this thread is full of posts complaining that for this or that specific game, the distribution does not look normal and/or the random number generator is buggy. 🤦 A live count of results would only encourage this behaviour ("We have rolled 12 times and 8 has not come up yet!").
If I could vote against this suggestion, I would.
Additionally, it will make the game experience poorer, encouraging people with a poor sense of statistics to complain about the random number generator to be buggy when it is not.
A game of Catan typically involves between 60 and 90 die rolls. Those are not Large Numbers. That is too little to make it very likely that the distribution of results will always look like a normal distribution. There is nothing weird about a game of Catan where 3 is rolled more often than 8 --- also on a physical table, with real dice. (If you aggregated all the roll dice from all the games, then you would clearly see 8 being rolled more often, but in any particular game anything can happen.)
And yet, this thread is full of posts complaining that for this or that specific game, the distribution does not look normal and/or the random number generator is buggy. 🤦 A live count of results would only encourage this behaviour ("We have rolled 12 times and 8 has not come up yet!").
If I could vote against this suggestion, I would.
2023年 8月 7日 11:42 • sergut • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
See also boardgamearena.com/bug?id=66082, another bug report where people with a poor sense of statistics posted tons of complaints about the random number generator being buggy when it is not.
2023年 8月11日 1:20 • Vengil • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I got a game:
The ten is released 0 times!
And the eleven is released out 14 times!
Look at the screenshot:
i.imgur.com/HFdoztp.png
The ten is released 0 times!
And the eleven is released out 14 times!
Look at the screenshot:
i.imgur.com/HFdoztp.png
2023年 9月13日 0:33 • Guillem_Itsejam • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
One game 5 - 0 times
Another game 8 - 0 times
Ridiculous
Another game 8 - 0 times
Ridiculous
2023年11月 6日 6:11 • serjerbazo • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
imgur.com/5SFIrjI
I lost this came on catan bc among 6 and 9 were less than 5. It hasn't any sense at all. 9 has the same rate as 5 and 6 has more rate. ¿How is it even possible to be more than double times 5 than both of them?
I lost this came on catan bc among 6 and 9 were less than 5. It hasn't any sense at all. 9 has the same rate as 5 and 6 has more rate. ¿How is it even possible to be more than double times 5 than both of them?
2023年11月10日 12:13 • Romero91 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I agree that it can be frustrating not getting the normal dice rolls in some games. But of course, the more times you play the more times the statistics should get real.
To be honest i was not happy when i lost some games and i had the best numbers to win. But that is what probability is, it won't always be accurate, just most of times.
In order to know if the number generator is wrong, we need to take into account every game that is played. That would be millions of dice rolls and then check the percentage of every number.
But only with let's say around 100 times per game, i think it is not enough to assure that there is any issue.
To be honest i was not happy when i lost some games and i had the best numbers to win. But that is what probability is, it won't always be accurate, just most of times.
In order to know if the number generator is wrong, we need to take into account every game that is played. That would be millions of dice rolls and then check the percentage of every number.
But only with let's say around 100 times per game, i think it is not enough to assure that there is any issue.
2024年 1月 5日 22:45 • sloba147 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
dice are rigged in catan at least. it is impossible to have more 3, 11, and 9 and no 6 at all
2024年 2月 6日 17:31 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I don't understand the dice distribution algorithm. you can't play if you get fat with 7.8 of your opponents' dice. they each get 2,3 of 4,5,6, and I stop one for all that many hands the difference.
2024年 2月 6日 17:33 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I do nothing but wait for them to win. I just roll the dice and that's it. It's not possible to play like that.
2024年 2月 6日 21:26 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
it's just a joke. I understand that you should give more chances to those with upremium, but even so...it's a waste of time, really
2024年 2月 6日 21:28 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I didn't get a dice of 10 hands, is this normal?
yes, and when they have 8 or 9 points, the game starts and I also have dice...good score 10
yes, and when they have 8 or 9 points, the game starts and I also have dice...good score 10
2024年 2月 6日 21:41 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
The most unfair game..there is no such thing...it's a joke
2024年 2月 7日 16:56 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
please understand that you cannot play if you are not given equal chances with your opponents, in every game the dice distribution algorithm is not fayr. I understand that premium players must be in profit, but not in this way. it's a joke. in this way, do nothing but make the others give up. I really like this game, but at this rate it makes me give up...
2024年 2月 7日 16:58 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
today I capitulated. I couldn't resist anymore, besides the fact that I was getting a dice at 4.5 of the opponents, those who had 7 and 5 points, respectively, and I had 3, were stealing from me. You can't play this way, no matter how ambitious you are.
2024年 2月 7日 20:01 • John Sun 13 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
by the way, I notice with sadness that the ones I flagged are not even read, I don't speak to be analyzed anymore, I don't receive any feedback, so I have to understand that if it suits me well, if not...good bye, UGLY , Very Ugly of you
2024年 2月 7日 22:38 • darhf • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I'd say 8 messages in a row is the indication that this game is not for you.
Catan is Random, dice are random; Randomness is the very thing preventing rolls to be predictable.
That's it, there's no more to it, no premium advantage bullshit or dark plots against you.
There's ton of games here without randomness.
Catan is Random, dice are random; Randomness is the very thing preventing rolls to be predictable.
That's it, there's no more to it, no premium advantage bullshit or dark plots against you.
There's ton of games here without randomness.
2024年 2月17日 14:24 • Augustodunus • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Dice algorithm is very strange. I played hundreds of games and it's always same conclusion. In the real life, dices respect statistics, but in bga.... it's catastrophy
2024年 3月 6日 15:45 • Henk21 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Because so many people feel like BGA is hacked it would be good to publish statistics of the individual games and the statistics for all games in that day/week. That way we can know if the odd statistics are just an abnormality of if the system get's rigged and odd statistics are way more common than they should be.
2024年 3月14日 18:42 • QueenSquid • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
PLEASE add dice stats. This game I'm currently in is horribly imbalanced - nearly a dozen 6s rolled and no 8s yet. This is ridiculous.
2024年 5月29日 6:54 • leosiu430 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
6 dice is double time than 8 .....
One player already have 8 points while the others only still have 2 / 3 points.... ridiculous game
One player already have 8 points while the others only still have 2 / 3 points.... ridiculous game
2024年 5月30日 15:41 • leosiu430 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Dice 3 / 11 much more often than 6/9/10 …..
That’s not a normal probability
That’s not a normal probability
2024年 5月30日 16:06 • greenjacket124 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
"PLEASE add dice stats."
They're already there at the end of games.
"Dice 3 / 11 much more often than 6/9/10 …..
That’s not a normal probability"
While it's not normal in regards to pure probability, it still fits in with the randomness of dice. Your single game is not at all a large enough sample set to say that the randomizer is wrong.
They're already there at the end of games.
"Dice 3 / 11 much more often than 6/9/10 …..
That’s not a normal probability"
While it's not normal in regards to pure probability, it still fits in with the randomness of dice. Your single game is not at all a large enough sample set to say that the randomizer is wrong.
2024年 6月14日 5:57 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Very happy to see Cities and Knights expansion included! I find Cities and Knights to be a little less dependent on dice rolls to win than other variants. But this game had double as many 10's as 8's, giving a huge advantage to the two players with the lowest elo's.
boardgamearena.com/5/catan?table=525005647
Cities and Knights has a card called Inventor that allows you to switch 2 numbers on the board (not 2, 6, 8, 12). In real life, I always get myself a 5 or a 9 and give away a 3 or 11. With these weird dice, I see players doing the opposite.
boardgamearena.com/5/catan?table=525005647
Cities and Knights has a card called Inventor that allows you to switch 2 numbers on the board (not 2, 6, 8, 12). In real life, I always get myself a 5 or a 9 and give away a 3 or 11. With these weird dice, I see players doing the opposite.
2024年 6月15日 7:59 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Double as many 3's as 9's in my latest cities and knights game, just confirming what I mentioned above
2024年 6月16日 23:46 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
26% sixes and only 2% tens, handing the game to me on a silver platter, even though I had the highest elo at the table
boardgamearena.com/11/catan?table=526131350
boardgamearena.com/11/catan?table=526131350
2024年 6月18日 23:47 • FromLardToHard • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Humans are terrible at random and even programing random is hard. I have been in IT for 30 years and places like The Cloudflare use lava lamps for Random Encryption generation. So it is not really the fault of the Game Site or the Developers. Just much harder to do than most people realize.
You can google Lava Lamp Encryption for an better explanation.
You can google Lava Lamp Encryption for an better explanation.
2024年 6月27日 19:07 • tipografico • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
The dice statistics are highly improbable; each game gets stuck on a number that comes up way more frequently than a 6 or an 8. How long will it take you to fix this issue? You've ruined the game! Strategy has become pointless since the game arbitrarily gets stuck in one direction, leaving no chance to recover in a match. You have thousands of complaints and yet you ask for money. I'm quite sure that even a fresh-out-of-school developer could solve this. Terrible game development.
2024年 7月10日 12:49 • Anthena • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Table #535553209
Move #184
Progression 100%
Please review alogirthm for your game. In this particular case, the player easily dominated by having 8's and 9's. After playing many games and not claiming to be the best, I have never seen the dice be in such favor of one player. I almost feel as if some players may have figured out how to adjust rolls.
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~8%)
6
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~11%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~14%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~17%)
17
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~14%)
25
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
17
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (~8%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~6%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~3%)
2
Move #184
Progression 100%
Please review alogirthm for your game. In this particular case, the player easily dominated by having 8's and 9's. After playing many games and not claiming to be the best, I have never seen the dice be in such favor of one player. I almost feel as if some players may have figured out how to adjust rolls.
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~8%)
6
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~11%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~14%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~17%)
17
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~14%)
25
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
17
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (~8%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~6%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~3%)
2
2024年 7月23日 3:39 • alexc5150 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
After the robber is moved to a new tile, that number is rolled on the next turn. This has happened numerous times in games I've played. Doesn't appear random.
2024年 7月28日 3:14 • Cultivator • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I think there is an issue with the random number generator, I just played a game (boardgamearena.com/4/catan?table=542823321) where there was not a single 9. 63 rolls, a 9 should have an 11.11% chance of rolling. The odds of rolling 63 times and never getting a 9 is less than one in 1669. Now realizing that I have played nearly that many games, there are still a lot of games were numbers don't roll anywhere near what they should based on probability. I think there must be something odd about how the RNG is rounded somehow that leads to some numbers coming up too much or not enough. I think it might be rounding because it different game to game, or maybe there are just patterns in the RNG so that it is not very good to begin with.
Dice roll: percentage of 2 (~3%)
2
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~8%)
16
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~11%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~14%)
17
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~17%)
19
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~14%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (~8%)
13
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~6%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~3%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 2 (~3%)
2
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~6%)
6
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~8%)
16
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~11%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~14%)
17
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~17%)
19
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~14%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (~8%)
13
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~6%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~3%)
0
2024年 8月 5日 10:34 • leosiu430 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Once again..... un real dice statistics.... Just want to play a fair game....
Dice appear for 2times? Dice 4 appear 13times?...... when will GBA fix the dice statistics issue? We are in AI generation, fair statistic is just a easy things to maintain. Please fix the problem
擲骰：2 的比率 (~3%)
2
擲骰：3 的比率 (~6%)
11
擲骰：4 的比率 (~8%)
13
擲骰：5 的比率 (~11%)
2
擲骰：6 的比率 (~14%)
15
擲骰：7 的比率 (~17%)
17
擲骰：8 的比率 (~14%)
9
擲骰：9 的比率 (~11%)
13
擲骰：10 的比率 (~8%)
15
擲骰：11 的比率 (~6%)
0
擲骰：12 的比率 (~3%)
2
Dice appear for 2times? Dice 4 appear 13times?...... when will GBA fix the dice statistics issue? We are in AI generation, fair statistic is just a easy things to maintain. Please fix the problem
擲骰：2 的比率 (~3%)
2
擲骰：3 的比率 (~6%)
11
擲骰：4 的比率 (~8%)
13
擲骰：5 的比率 (~11%)
2
擲骰：6 的比率 (~14%)
15
擲骰：7 的比率 (~17%)
17
擲骰：8 的比率 (~14%)
9
擲骰：9 的比率 (~11%)
13
擲骰：10 的比率 (~8%)
15
擲骰：11 的比率 (~6%)
0
擲骰：12 的比率 (~3%)
2
2024年 8月 5日 10:37 • leosiu430 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
imgur.com/a/SZqbcSJ
Once again..... un real dice statistics.... Just want to play a fair game....
Dice appear for 2times? Dice 4 appear 13times?...... when will GBA fix the dice statistics issue? We are in AI generation, fair statistic is just a easy things to maintain. Please fix the problem
擲骰：2 的比率 (~3%)
2
擲骰：3 的比率 (~6%)
11
擲骰：4 的比率 (~8%)
13
擲骰：5 的比率 (~11%)
2
擲骰：6 的比率 (~14%)
15
擲骰：7 的比率 (~17%)
17
擲骰：8 的比率 (~14%)
9
擲骰：9 的比率 (~11%)
13
擲骰：10 的比率 (~8%)
15
擲骰：11 的比率 (~6%)
0
擲骰：12 的比率 (~3%)
2
Once again..... un real dice statistics.... Just want to play a fair game....
Dice appear for 2times? Dice 4 appear 13times?...... when will GBA fix the dice statistics issue? We are in AI generation, fair statistic is just a easy things to maintain. Please fix the problem
擲骰：2 的比率 (~3%)
2
擲骰：3 的比率 (~6%)
11
擲骰：4 的比率 (~8%)
13
擲骰：5 的比率 (~11%)
2
擲骰：6 的比率 (~14%)
15
擲骰：7 的比率 (~17%)
17
擲骰：8 的比率 (~14%)
9
擲骰：9 的比率 (~11%)
13
擲骰：10 的比率 (~8%)
15
擲骰：11 的比率 (~6%)
0
擲骰：12 的比率 (~3%)
2
2024年 8月19日 5:38 • Poposita • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Its a shame to represent Statistics just like some RNG, having a red number and not tossing it after 15 minutes of play and after +10 rounds
2024年 8月28日 11:07 • Hk2909 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
imgur.com/a/bMcFIjA
even a 12 appeared more often than a 9?
The dice seems center for the Chinese guy.You should check if he hack or not.But this game is totally not fair for me and the one in the third place.I hope you can recover my elo because you know how hard it is to gain it at my point!
even a 12 appeared more often than a 9?
The dice seems center for the Chinese guy.You should check if he hack or not.But this game is totally not fair for me and the one in the third place.I hope you can recover my elo because you know how hard it is to gain it at my point!
2024年 8月31日 17:19 • LeQuadraGameur • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Table #556844476
Dices roll to "8" 6 times in a row
Dices roll to "8" 6 times in a row
2024年 9月 2日 7:26 • leosiu430 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
擲骰：2 的比率 (~3%)
3
擲骰：3 的比率 (~6%)
5
擲骰：4 的比率 (~8%)
5
擲骰：5 的比率 (~11%)
11
擲骰：6 的比率 (~14%)
8
擲骰：7 的比率 (~17%)
16
擲骰：8 的比率 (~14%)
18
擲骰：9 的比率 (~11%)
11
擲骰：10 的比率 (~8%)
10
擲骰：11 的比率 (~6%)
11
擲骰：12 的比率 (~3%)
2
3
擲骰：3 的比率 (~6%)
5
擲骰：4 的比率 (~8%)
5
擲骰：5 的比率 (~11%)
11
擲骰：6 的比率 (~14%)
8
擲骰：7 的比率 (~17%)
16
擲骰：8 的比率 (~14%)
18
擲骰：9 的比率 (~11%)
11
擲骰：10 的比率 (~8%)
10
擲骰：11 的比率 (~6%)
11
擲骰：12 的比率 (~3%)
2
2024年 9月 9日 11:01 • Pogretskiy • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Hello, dear developers. Either you do not get suggestions and complaints about the problem related to the statistics of falling dice, or you deliberately ignore this problem.
After all, many people have already come to you with this problem. I'm sure everyone you ask in this game will support me.
Change the algorithms for the drop-out numbers. If you haven't found a specialist who can do it for so many years, hire him in the labor market.
I like everything in this game, except for the incorrectly written program for the drop of numbers on the cube.
I hope you won't ignore my message.
Thank you for understanding.
PS create a questionnaire on this problem and you will understand how serious it is.
After all, many people have already come to you with this problem. I'm sure everyone you ask in this game will support me.
Change the algorithms for the drop-out numbers. If you haven't found a specialist who can do it for so many years, hire him in the labor market.
I like everything in this game, except for the incorrectly written program for the drop of numbers on the cube.
I hope you won't ignore my message.
Thank you for understanding.
PS create a questionnaire on this problem and you will understand how serious it is.
2024年 9月27日 6:23 • Lucatan777 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
100% catan dice is not random. I have played many times, in the version for free. Whenever I have more than 7 cards in catan basic, the dice shows 7 most of the time for me or for any of the players. I understand it is because I am playing the game for free, and the dice favors the people that are paying for the game in the website. However, it does not exaclty resemble a real game.
2024年10月 1日 16:30 • amelia0501 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I am playing this game with one player rolling 7 for 80% of his rolling. It does not make sense.
2024年10月18日 18:13 • Jamo77 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
The DICE coding is poor, and I can expect a few inconsistent games. but to have #3 roll 7 times and #6 roll 4 times, while #8 & #5 roll 21 times!!! and #7 role 18 times
FIX IT!
FIX IT!
2024年10月23日 12:13 • hokahokapants • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=579244215
Hey guys, please see that result.
Half rolls in all rolls are 6.
Dices logic is poor, it makes the games more boring.
If developer didn't fix it, game players would be decreasing.
Hey guys, please see that result.
Half rolls in all rolls are 6.
Dices logic is poor, it makes the games more boring.
If developer didn't fix it, game players would be decreasing.
2024年10月23日 23:06 • gecko8989 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Hello devs,
Please look into dice randomization and cluster
There is 2 main topics on the forum on this subject. Both agrees that dice are not Randoms.
I have put more info on the 2nd topics in the forum - 170+ up votes
If you add both topics together you got a major subjecta
Please look into dice randomization and cluster
There is 2 main topics on the forum on this subject. Both agrees that dice are not Randoms.
I have put more info on the 2nd topics in the forum - 170+ up votes
If you add both topics together you got a major subjecta
2024年11月 7日 21:21 • ElektraA1 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
the data statistics are very bad, it seems that the site decides which numbers will be the best in that game. Even if I choose the best loot, with the best numbers, if one of those numbers is not the "lucky number" it will never fall. I just played a game in which the numbers 12 and 3 fell on the dice more than the number 5, for example.
In some games there are lucky numbers, like 4 or 10, for example. These are numbers that fall into the dice all the time, even more than 6 and 8. And some numbers (which should fall more frequently, like 5) fall very rarely. I know that the numbers with the lowest probabilities must fall at some point in the game, but I think it's ridiculous that their frequency in a match is greater than the best numbers
In some games there are lucky numbers, like 4 or 10, for example. These are numbers that fall into the dice all the time, even more than 6 and 8. And some numbers (which should fall more frequently, like 5) fall very rarely. I know that the numbers with the lowest probabilities must fall at some point in the game, but I think it's ridiculous that their frequency in a match is greater than the best numbers
2024年11月16日 9:28 • SvenOver • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
28% out of 45 dice rolls were 8's in this game...: boardgamearena.com/11/catan?table=589594816
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 2 (~3%)
4
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 3 (~6%)
7
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 4 (~8%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 5 (~11%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 6 (~14%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 7 (~17%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 8 (~14%)
28
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 9 (~11%)
13
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 10 (~8%)
2
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 11 (~6%)
2
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 12 (~3%)
0
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 2 (~3%)
4
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 3 (~6%)
7
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 4 (~8%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 5 (~11%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 6 (~14%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 7 (~17%)
11
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 8 (~14%)
28
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 9 (~11%)
13
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 10 (~8%)
2
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 11 (~6%)
2
Dobbelsteenworp: ratio van 12 (~3%)
0
2024年11月17日 19:42 • sahasrabudhe • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
The same number keeps getting rolled again and again! Please check the game number, this is ridiculous
2024年11月17日 23:29 • yfimc • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
it’s frustrating that so many responses are dismissive and condescending. it would be nice if the devs would share the full statistics if they want to prove that it’s really random because it really doesn’t feel like it
2024年11月23日 16:54 • Coisinho • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
There is no way i'm in my third game in a row (with 5-6-8-9 production) and loosing awfully to someone with double 10 or double 4 or double 3/11, check your dice statistics! How come a 6 comes out less than half the times a 10 or a 3 after 200 plays. At some point it becomes statistically impossible to happen.
2024年12月13日 20:17 • Hollowbody_24 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
agree, weird dice, like the system preffer only better ELO, best more 200
also 2 players always 10, 14 cards, me 6---no 7, first i becomme 9 card, then come 7 every time.
about 1 win game /40 loose
also 2 players always 10, 14 cards, me 6---no 7, first i becomme 9 card, then come 7 every time.
about 1 win game /40 loose
2024年12月18日 21:36 • Kanamechan • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
boardgamearena.com/8/catan?table=603475676
Dice roll: percentage of 2 (~4%)
3
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~13%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~7%)
5
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~12%)
9
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~13%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~20%)
15
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~11%)
5
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (0%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~9%)
7
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~4%)
3
Dice roll: percentage of 2 (~4%)
3
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~13%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~7%)
5
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~12%)
9
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~13%)
10
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~20%)
15
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~11%)
5
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
8
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (0%)
0
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~9%)
7
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~4%)
3
2024年12月20日 7:21 • nivii • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Dice roll: percentage of 2 (~3%)
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~6%)
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~8%)
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~11%)
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~14%)
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~17%)
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~14%)
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (~8%)
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~6%)
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~3%)
Dice roll: percentage of 2 (~3%)
Dice roll: percentage of 3 (~6%)
Dice roll: percentage of 4 (~8%)
Dice roll: percentage of 5 (~11%)
Dice roll: percentage of 6 (~14%)
Dice roll: percentage of 7 (~17%)
Dice roll: percentage of 8 (~14%)
Dice roll: percentage of 9 (~11%)
Dice roll: percentage of 10 (~8%)
Dice roll: percentage of 11 (~6%)
Dice roll: percentage of 12 (~3%)
2025年 1月 1日 1:39 • mlm1111 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
The same number is rolled over and over and over again yet you do not fix this bug. In this game the 9 and 11 were rolled every round to the benefit of 1 player in particular and eventually to the 2 players, I sat for 4 rounds without a 5, 8, 10, 4 and this happened several times where you sit with numbers that should roll while they roll 9, 11, 12 numbers that should not roll, till there was no hope. This happens frequently in this game yet when you lose they take 12 to 15 points when you had no control or strategy that will work. I see this complaint multiple times yet you do not fix this bug. 1 player is normally always benefited from the constant roll of 1 number. In the case of this game it was 9 and secondly 11, definitely against all odds. I have seen it do this with 3's, and this time it rolled 12 three times to the benefit of the same player. I quit playing this game for that reason and have tried to find a better place to play this game on line. I enjoy the game and keep coming back but the frustration drives me away time and again.
2025年 1月10日 14:08 • KCHAUs • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Please explain what is going on with the Katana game? It's just impossible! The dice in 9 out of 10 games throws the most bad numbers for me! You'll write that it's all an accident, but it's absolutely not! The casino has a fairer chance of numbers falling out than yours!
As proof, I can record at least 1000 games and show you that it's true! It's just impossible to deal with it from game to game! Fix it!
As proof, I can record at least 1000 games and show you that it's true! It's just impossible to deal with it from game to game! Fix it!
2025年 1月12日 8:35 • Alaguster • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Roll distributions are terrible. They always skew high or low. Tested over 18 games and found a 2+ to 1 ratio if throughout the entirety of each game where dice are always high or always low.
2025年 1月19日 13:06 • KCHAUs • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=617623468
check out this game! well just look! it's just terrible! this is not normal! this is clearly a mistake! The dice roll is clearly broken! and has been broken for a long time! terrible! terrible! terrible! I just don’t want to play when this happens! The number 5 came up 0 times! 0, Karl! and look how many times the number 9 appears! Let me remind you that these numbers have the same probability of being drawn! what a horror! why don't they fix it, why???
check out this game! well just look! it's just terrible! this is not normal! this is clearly a mistake! The dice roll is clearly broken! and has been broken for a long time! terrible! terrible! terrible! I just don’t want to play when this happens! The number 5 came up 0 times! 0, Karl! and look how many times the number 9 appears! Let me remind you that these numbers have the same probability of being drawn! what a horror! why don't they fix it, why???
2025年 1月22日 9:04 • Malo77 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
A stat board over the current game and over all catan game, or/and over th whole BGA .. would show and close the topic about the random generator used.
Stats is meaningless over one or a few games. stats needs thousands+ of games so we can check. thanks
Stats is meaningless over one or a few games. stats needs thousands+ of games so we can check. thanks
2025年 2月16日 20:32 • Sideshow Ben • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I just finished a game where 11 was rolled at least 3x more than normal and 6 was rolled maybe 5 times. Are we sure the random number generators are actually random?
2025年 2月20日 23:40 • kornackib • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Rzut kością: wynik 2 (~3%) - 2
Rzut kością: wynik 3 (~6%) - 9
Rzut kością: wynik 4 (~8%) - 9
Rzut kością: wynik 5 (~11%) - 23
Rzut kością: wynik 6 (~14%) - 7
Rzut kością: wynik 7 (~17%) - 16
Rzut kością: wynik 8 (~14%) - 21
Rzut kością: wynik 9 (~11%) - 7
Rzut kością: wynik 10 (~8%) - 5
Rzut kością: wynik 11 (~6%) - 2
Rzut kością: wynik 12 (~3%) - 0
That 5... 3x the 6...
Rzut kością: wynik 3 (~6%) - 9
Rzut kością: wynik 4 (~8%) - 9
Rzut kością: wynik 5 (~11%) - 23
Rzut kością: wynik 6 (~14%) - 7
Rzut kością: wynik 7 (~17%) - 16
Rzut kością: wynik 8 (~14%) - 21
Rzut kością: wynik 9 (~11%) - 7
Rzut kością: wynik 10 (~8%) - 5
Rzut kością: wynik 11 (~6%) - 2
Rzut kością: wynik 12 (~3%) - 0
That 5... 3x the 6...
2025年 2月24日 19:36 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Three 2s rolled before the first 6, 5, 9 or 10.
boardgamearena.com/13/catan?table=635075425
boardgamearena.com/13/catan?table=635075425
2025年 3月25日 23:50 • tarasmushyi • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I am writing to bring to your attention an unusual statistical outcome that occurred during a recent session involving 101 rolls of two standard six-sided dice (2d6). Specifically, the sum of 3 appeared 13 times, which struck me as highly improbable and prompted a closer statistical analysis.
Based on probability theory, the chance of rolling a sum of 3 with two fair dice is 2 out of 36, or approximately 5.56%. Given 101 rolls, the expected number of occurrences of a sum of 3 would be roughly:
E = 101 \times 0.0556 \approx 5.61
The standard deviation (σ) for such a binomial distribution is:
\sigma = \sqrt{n \cdot p \cdot (1 - p)} \approx \sqrt{101 \cdot 0.0556 \cdot 0.9444} \approx 2.30
This gives a realistic interval for the expected number of occurrences, within ±2σ, as:
[5.61 - 4.60 , 5.61 + 4.60] = [1.01 , 10.21]
The observed value of 13 falls well outside this 95% confidence interval, raising the statistical suspicion of either a highly unlikely outcome or a potential irregularity.
To be precise, the probability of exactly 13 occurrences of sum 3 in 101 fair dice rolls is approximately:
\boxed{0.124\%} \text{ (or 1 in 806)}
While not impossible, this is statistically very rare, and such a deviation could indicate:
A flaw or bias in the random number generator (if digital),
A physical irregularity with the dice (if analogue),
Or simply a highly improbable natural variance — which should ideally not be this extreme.
Given the significance of such a deviation, I would kindly ask your team to verify the integrity of the dice logic or any RNG mechanisms used during this session. I’m not implying wrongdoing — I simply want to ensure that fairness and trust are maintained.
Thank you in advance for your time, attention, and any insights you can provide.
Based on probability theory, the chance of rolling a sum of 3 with two fair dice is 2 out of 36, or approximately 5.56%. Given 101 rolls, the expected number of occurrences of a sum of 3 would be roughly:
E = 101 \times 0.0556 \approx 5.61
The standard deviation (σ) for such a binomial distribution is:
\sigma = \sqrt{n \cdot p \cdot (1 - p)} \approx \sqrt{101 \cdot 0.0556 \cdot 0.9444} \approx 2.30
This gives a realistic interval for the expected number of occurrences, within ±2σ, as:
[5.61 - 4.60 , 5.61 + 4.60] = [1.01 , 10.21]
The observed value of 13 falls well outside this 95% confidence interval, raising the statistical suspicion of either a highly unlikely outcome or a potential irregularity.
To be precise, the probability of exactly 13 occurrences of sum 3 in 101 fair dice rolls is approximately:
\boxed{0.124\%} \text{ (or 1 in 806)}
While not impossible, this is statistically very rare, and such a deviation could indicate:
A flaw or bias in the random number generator (if digital),
A physical irregularity with the dice (if analogue),
Or simply a highly improbable natural variance — which should ideally not be this extreme.
Given the significance of such a deviation, I would kindly ask your team to verify the integrity of the dice logic or any RNG mechanisms used during this session. I’m not implying wrongdoing — I simply want to ensure that fairness and trust are maintained.
Thank you in advance for your time, attention, and any insights you can provide.
2025年 3月26日 21:12 • Dejvowsky • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
The number system of dice in this game has been an unfunny joke for a very long time and no one is doing anything about it.
The whole idea of the game makes no sense because no strategy matters, only randomness.
Is this starting to approach gambling games which are probably illegal?
The whole idea of the game makes no sense because no strategy matters, only randomness.
Is this starting to approach gambling games which are probably illegal?
2025年 3月28日 13:16 • lGurul • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
This dice statistic is just math near imposible. I had my strategy around 6 and 10. They BOTH happens almost same number of times as 2 (!!!!!) Its just insanly bad feeling to play this game just pass every turn cause u cant even trade or stuff. And u didnt choose bad strategy - its just dice is broken.
Table game
#650604190
Кубики: частота 2 (~3%)
8
Кубики: частота 3 (~6%)
5
Кубики: частота 4 (~8%)
12
Кубики: частота 5 (~11%)
9
Кубики: частота 6 (~14%)
6
Кубики: частота 7 (~17%)
15
Кубики: частота 8 (~14%)
14
Кубики: частота 9 (~11%)
15
Кубики: частота 10 (~8%)
3
Кубики: частота 11 (~6%)
6
Кубики: частота 12 (~3%)
8
Table game
#650604190
Кубики: частота 2 (~3%)
8
Кубики: частота 3 (~6%)
5
Кубики: частота 4 (~8%)
12
Кубики: частота 5 (~11%)
9
Кубики: частота 6 (~14%)
6
Кубики: частота 7 (~17%)
15
Кубики: частота 8 (~14%)
14
Кубики: частота 9 (~11%)
15
Кубики: частота 10 (~8%)
3
Кубики: частота 11 (~6%)
6
Кубики: частота 12 (~3%)
8
2025年 3月30日 4:05 • fearofthequark • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
boardgamearena.com/5/catan?table=651401024
Watch the replay of this game.... I noted the dice throws of this game:
7, 5, 5, 8, 4, 8, 12, 11, 8, 11, 4, 8, 8, 7, 10, 9,
8, 5, 5, 10, 10, 8, 5, 9, 7, 7, 3, 6, 9,
6 came only ONE time... I was the host. My opponents were on the fields: 4, 5, 8, 9 and 10 ...
I was on 3, 6, 10, 11
But if at another game I set my house to the field number 8 there would not be many 8's... I don't know but I think the host is sabotaged in this game...
Watch the replay of this game.... I noted the dice throws of this game:
7, 5, 5, 8, 4, 8, 12, 11, 8, 11, 4, 8, 8, 7, 10, 9,
8, 5, 5, 10, 10, 8, 5, 9, 7, 7, 3, 6, 9,
6 came only ONE time... I was the host. My opponents were on the fields: 4, 5, 8, 9 and 10 ...
I was on 3, 6, 10, 11
But if at another game I set my house to the field number 8 there would not be many 8's... I don't know but I think the host is sabotaged in this game...
2025年 4月 3日 5:23 • cboers18 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
@tarasmushyi Thank you for the detailed analysis. It is rare for a Catan game to have 101 rolls. Rather, the stats provided at the end of the game indicate percentage of 8s rolled, for example, and not the absolute number of 8s rolled. This will change your analysis.
2025年 4月27日 20:37 • raccooni • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Was playing catan today and the dice statistics are way off what they should be it really skewed who was able to win. There was probably 5x as many 4s being rolled as 6s, and at one point 7 was rolled 3 times in a row. How are you supposed to play a fair game like this? Honestly, not going to be playing catan anymore on this website for this reason.
2025年 4月30日 1:07 • ssupernova • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I've played several games lately where an 8 or a 6 get rolled only a handful of times while an 11 or a 3 get rolled at LEAST once per round. There was even one game where a 12 got rolled more than a 6. Seems like the statistics are way off on some games.
2025年 5月27日 23:05 • YkkeMachado • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
tenho percebido em diversas mesas do CATAN que há muita repetição de resultados nos dados.
É uma reclamação constante pelos outros jogadores e minha também.
Frustra a jogabilidade aos desfavorecidos que praticamente nem chegam a realizar qualquer ação no jogo.
É uma reclamação constante pelos outros jogadores e minha também.
Frustra a jogabilidade aos desfavorecidos que praticamente nem chegam a realizar qualquer ação no jogo.
2025年 5月29日 14:25 • NPC333 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
the dice results don't seem to be truly random, seems like it's skewed in favor of premium players. can't really play the game due to no resources and it is not an isolated incident, happened in all the games.
2025年 6月 5日 2:37 • emperorTikki • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Yes, please adjust the rng - its seems off. there are many other good options that ensure a more normal distribution. too many games have streaks of numbers that impact the game
2025年 7月 5日 22:31 • 75827 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Since I couldn't roll 5 numbers in 28 tries, I think the administrator should also be informed about the beauty of this game.
In almost every game, due to peculiar coincidences, certain numbers appear very frequently for some players during the game; there was a game where the number 3 was the most frequently rolled number.
f5 does not help
In almost every game, due to peculiar coincidences, certain numbers appear very frequently for some players during the game; there was a game where the number 3 was the most frequently rolled number.
f5 does not help
2025年 7月16日 20:44 • Skult • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
Something is severely wrong with RNG in this game. We tried to play 3 times but couldn't finish any of the games because of how often 7 (aka "move the robber") was rolled. It was literally every second roll or more, across tens of rolls (mind you, the real chance should be 1/6). Unplayable, unfortunately
2025年 7月20日 18:27 • alicet0w0 • 開發者需要更詳細的建議內容:
I'm not sure if any updates recently? I observed that the dice became very unrealistic and unfair. In Game #703743900, Even 3 and 11 rolled more times than 6. And 6 has only been rolled 6 times in the whole 481 steps game. Does it even make sense? Please fix it so it makes sense. I think the previous version is more reasonable.
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