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#67415: "Number 5 never occurring while breaking safe"
#67415: "Number 5 never occurring while breaking safe"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
The dice ability to make a 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
The dice ability to make a 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
The dice ability to make a 5.
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
The dice ability to make a 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
The number 5 never occurs on the table while trying to break the level 1 safe. We are approaching 200 dice throws, and still no 5.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Safari v15.4
案件沿革
2022年Jul6日 12:24 • Shpam • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
That’s equivalent to winning euro millions 3 times in a row, we’re not talking about a « very unlikely » situation, it’s 1 chance out of 10^13, impossible.
2022年Jul6日 12:28 • Shpam • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Sometimes it says the the interface is blocked when I’m trying to open the safe, maybe it occurs when I’m supposed to make that 5 but the game doesn’t want it to be cracked.
2022年Jul8日 07:11 • Zilch • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
My game is having the same issue, except with 3's instead of 5's. Table number 279148099
2022年Jul9日 01:16 • RodimusPrime • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I was at the same table as Zilch (#279148099).
FYI, in case this helps… I was the advanced Peterman character. So I was adding and rolling safe dice from the floor below in-between turns where Zilch was rolling too. I would usually get an “unstable interface” toast notification (Chrome browser on Mac) on my first mouse click and then my second click would perform my special action to roll the safe dice.
FYI, in case this helps… I was the advanced Peterman character. So I was adding and rolling safe dice from the floor below in-between turns where Zilch was rolling too. I would usually get an “unstable interface” toast notification (Chrome browser on Mac) on my first mouse click and then my second click would perform my special action to roll the safe dice.
2022年Jul24日 06:31 • skriss • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I was having the same issue but with 3s instead of 5s. It kept repeating the same other numbers. Table # 285819563. We calculated the odds and the number of dice we were rolling our odds of never rolling that last 3 were 0.00003688002
2022年Jul24日 13:37 • cpasbanal • 這並非程式錯誤:
sorry guys but there is no issue on the randomization of die rolls, we use standard PHP and framework random rolling and it works well on all the games of BGA, this is just luck (or out of luck)
2022年Jul24日 14:54 • flakattack510 • 這並非程式錯誤:
I'm going to contest that a bit.
Last night, while observing skriss' game, there were two issues noticed:
1) There were several instances of duplicate sets being rolled on 4 die. The sets looked something like this (pattern is correct but the numbers aren't exact):
2,1,6,4
2,1,6,4
Next turn:
4,5,2,1
4,5,2,1
6,2,4,2
6,2,4,2
This was the most egregious example that I remember but there were several other ones showing an issue. The odds of getting three consecutive pairs of matches like that on 4 die are astronomically low (it's (1/6)^12, or roughly 1 in 500,000,000)
From my experience developing other applications, this is probably caused by a new RNG object being created for every set of rolls. Doing this in quick succession creates the RNG objects with the same seed, causing them to generate the same set of numbers. This can be fixed by creating a single instance of the RNG that is used for the entire turn or a single instance used for the entire game.
2) Players would intermittently receive an error when rolling to open the safe (was on a Skype call with the players who discussed it there). I suspect that the correct number was actually being "rolled" but it generated the error when rolled. This was observed after using the Peterman's drill ability to open a safe on a different floor. It was only seen when attempting to get the last number of the safe but I don't remember if the other numbers were rolled before or after the first use of the Peterman's ability.
It's possible that this is the cause of issue 1 and that rolling the needed number caused the game to "fall back" to the previous set of rolls when the error was encountered.
Hopefully this helps. We've really enjoyed the game so far.
Last night, while observing skriss' game, there were two issues noticed:
1) There were several instances of duplicate sets being rolled on 4 die. The sets looked something like this (pattern is correct but the numbers aren't exact):
2,1,6,4
2,1,6,4
Next turn:
4,5,2,1
4,5,2,1
6,2,4,2
6,2,4,2
This was the most egregious example that I remember but there were several other ones showing an issue. The odds of getting three consecutive pairs of matches like that on 4 die are astronomically low (it's (1/6)^12, or roughly 1 in 500,000,000)
From my experience developing other applications, this is probably caused by a new RNG object being created for every set of rolls. Doing this in quick succession creates the RNG objects with the same seed, causing them to generate the same set of numbers. This can be fixed by creating a single instance of the RNG that is used for the entire turn or a single instance used for the entire game.
2) Players would intermittently receive an error when rolling to open the safe (was on a Skype call with the players who discussed it there). I suspect that the correct number was actually being "rolled" but it generated the error when rolled. This was observed after using the Peterman's drill ability to open a safe on a different floor. It was only seen when attempting to get the last number of the safe but I don't remember if the other numbers were rolled before or after the first use of the Peterman's ability.
It's possible that this is the cause of issue 1 and that rolling the needed number caused the game to "fall back" to the previous set of rolls when the error was encountered.
Hopefully this helps. We've really enjoyed the game so far.
2022年Jul24日 15:08 • Shpam • 這並非程式錯誤:
It’s absolutely impossible, it can’t be bad luck not to have a single 5 in 200 throws.
As I said, an error message occurred quite often, I believe it was when the die should have been 5 and the safe open, the bug probably comes from a bug happening when the safe opens.
As I said, an error message occurred quite often, I believe it was when the die should have been 5 and the safe open, the bug probably comes from a bug happening when the safe opens.
2022年Jul24日 16:36 • Romain672 • 這並非程式錯誤:
It's not a problem with random though, it's a problem with the game itself.
On this bug:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=42896
you said 'should be ok', so you doesn't seem to be sure and doesn't seem to have tested that.
Could there be that donuts are generated on that tile on that floor, the game doesn't like it, so don't allow that to happen and roll something else.
On this bug:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=42896
you said 'should be ok', so you doesn't seem to be sure and doesn't seem to have tested that.
Could there be that donuts are generated on that tile on that floor, the game doesn't like it, so don't allow that to happen and roll something else.
2022年Jul24日 16:38 • Romain672 • 這並非程式錯誤:
The date are coherent too, and both bugs seem to be about Peterman advanced. The first report of this bug is ~10 days after you fixed that other bug.
2022年Jul24日 19:34 • Rearden • 這並非程式錯誤:
Did you actually look at the game log? I suspect you did not.
It appears that the two players rolled 215 times for the safe on floor 1. The results were 41 ones, 43 twos, 43 threes, 44 fours, 0 fives, and 44 sixes.
I think you have a bug and I think you owe everyone here an apology.
It appears that the two players rolled 215 times for the safe on floor 1. The results were 41 ones, 43 twos, 43 threes, 44 fours, 0 fives, and 44 sixes.
I think you have a bug and I think you owe everyone here an apology.
2022年Jul24日 20:24 • Romain672 • 這並非程式錯誤:
Don't be that harsh Rearden, most complain about random are just false.
Here, the problem isn't the random, but something else.
But yeah that something is here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=68285
Here, the problem isn't the random, but something else.
But yeah that something is here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=68285
2022年Jul25日 01:24 • RodimusPrime • 這並非程式錯誤:
1) Other BGA games don't give me the same instability symptoms. This is definitely a (tricky!) bug with the Burgle Bros application. Did you try to reproduce it?
2) And did you test with the advanced Peterman character? This is another common symptom.
Those are the 2 common reported symptoms. Please do your due diligence and test them. Instability bugs are always difficult to resolve, so I understand if you end up not being successful. But you have not provided sufficient evidence to call this 'notabug' at this point.
2) And did you test with the advanced Peterman character? This is another common symptom.
Those are the 2 common reported symptoms. Please do your due diligence and test them. Instability bugs are always difficult to resolve, so I understand if you end up not being successful. But you have not provided sufficient evidence to call this 'notabug' at this point.
2022年Jul25日 21:39 • cpasbanal • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
thanks flakattack510 for your analysis, i'll check when i can
and for the record, i am a volunteer developer that doing this on my free time because i like the game and the spirit of BGA, insulting me or my work (or at least being rude) doesn't help at all ^^
and this is true for most of the games developed here
and for the record, i am a volunteer developer that doing this on my free time because i like the game and the spirit of BGA, insulting me or my work (or at least being rude) doesn't help at all ^^
and this is true for most of the games developed here
2022年Jul25日 22:56 • cpasbanal • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
@Romain672: fixed the other bug, not sure this is related (yet, it tampered with the Advanced Peterman)
2022年Jul25日 23:08 • BillC • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
game #286286280
I think flakattack510 said it all.
Not able to roll a 1 -- my math professor partner in the game says we are up to 1 in 9 million chance.
Peterman's Drill being used along with "normal" attempts.
Getting lots and lots of "error processing database request" messages -- about as often as the chance of rolling a 1 on at least 1 of 4-5 dice.
I think flakattack510 said it all.
Not able to roll a 1 -- my math professor partner in the game says we are up to 1 in 9 million chance.
Peterman's Drill being used along with "normal" attempts.
Getting lots and lots of "error processing database request" messages -- about as often as the chance of rolling a 1 on at least 1 of 4-5 dice.
2022年Jul25日 23:12 • FlyingArrow • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
Bug occurs here as well: Game #286286280... almost 100 rolls with no 1 being rolled.
Same bug, and Advanced Peterman is in the game. Although it occurs for either player, not just Advanced Peterman. We got no 1s, and frequently got the database error: "Unexpected error: Error while processing Database request (reference: GS9 25/07 22:52:36)". Presumably that error happened whenever we would have actually rolled a 1.
This was on the 3rd floor. No problems on floor 1 or floor 2. Floor 3 was when the Advanced Peterman started to Drill, and the error started when we were down to needing only 1 number.
Same bug, and Advanced Peterman is in the game. Although it occurs for either player, not just Advanced Peterman. We got no 1s, and frequently got the database error: "Unexpected error: Error while processing Database request (reference: GS9 25/07 22:52:36)". Presumably that error happened whenever we would have actually rolled a 1.
This was on the 3rd floor. No problems on floor 1 or floor 2. Floor 3 was when the Advanced Peterman started to Drill, and the error started when we were down to needing only 1 number.
2022年Jul25日 23:57 • RodimusPrime • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
I said multiple times that what we actually have here is a tricky bug. I am sorry that that came across as being insulting. I do appreciate all of your hard work!
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