#68245: "Players that leave due to being far behind should not tie with the people who come in last"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
If I player leaves early due to being super far behind they get the same place as the next person who did not leave as if they tied with them. Their time also freezes in tournament play.
This can create bad results and be abused. Specifically in tournament play: 1) a given up player will get first place if the game is abandoned due to game total time reached, thus they are going to get the points/move on even though they were clearly in last. 2) on games that finish on time, they get undeserved points and could be advanced over someone who actually finished the race.
There is probably some sort of arena downside too • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v103
案件沿革
i have never played arena/tournament so i don't know how those work, could you be more specific?
do you mean player concede or abandon? abandon is handled by the bga framework. when one player abandon the game is considered cancelled and everyone but the leaving player gets same score no matter what. abandon i cannot disable i think.
My most recent experience was in the alpha version of the game: boardgamearena.com/table?table=285428630
A player who was very far behind used the game feature and basically was rewarded 5th place instead of the 6th place if they did not use the feature.
I don't don't believe that abandon has this issue, as you mentioned the it is all handled by the bga framework code and you can't really influence that(to my limited developer knowledge)
imgur.com/QjEZTGQ
As to possible solutions:
If you can, 'award' a last place finish to the person who conceded, not tied with someone who actually finished the race. Using that feature is an acknowledgement that they are unable to make a better standing in the ending pole.
As for Tournaments, since those games are BGA fixed time limit games: if possible their remaining thinking time should be set to something super super negative at the resolution of the game. That way someone who conceded is ranked last when the standings are calculated by remaining thinking time. I was in a poorly set up Tournament a while ago and someone made some bad choices mixed with some bad luck and was left in the dust and decided to use the concede button. This froze their thinking time at 24hrs-ish and when the game hit the max time limit, they were considered the winner despite not even making it around the second corner of the first lap. If the editing of the remaining thinking time is not available, I think disabling the concede option for tournaments is your best course of action. I think this can be done with a backend game option that one does not have choice when setting up a tournament.
This result in wrong ELO calculations - the 3rd player is not the last, but gets the same ELO as the one who left.
It was turn-based tournament but I think it does not matter
boardgamearena.com/table?table=291614602
* Yes, it would seem that ties count for winning streaks but not for the first place trophy. It just looks odd.
I suspect it is due to the code which when there is only 1 car left on the board (normally when all players in front already finished and he is the last) dont let him cross the finish line, but give him last place. So when one player concede game (and his car is taken off the board), the player who is pre-last will have his care be the only one left on board when all in front crossed line, and game thinks "since he is the only car, he is last" :D
There is a real bug with conceded (not speaking abandon/quit by timeout) but when you are last player far away there a special button to leave the race
4 players, 2 last players conceded denysstupin then Nadec
i finish first and final order not good (Gnak must be 2nd)
thanks for reporting again. will look into this asap.
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