#69861: "Create a 'tournament mode' to play without overpowered cards"
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細節描述
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
-
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v102
案件沿革
(p2, under "Nectar".)
Move #57 and Table #297257118 Move #68). I won one game, and lost the second by 5 points. I did notice the card is very powerful, as it allows you to gain two food from the source, while only giving up an egg (you will nearly always have an egg to give up, as its only habitat is the Grassland), and this in effect allows you to subsequently play any bird costing 2 food or less, without even using the Forest to take food. Then you can pretty much ignore the Forest, and simply hit the usually points heavy Grassland.
However in the second game, I tended not to use the Raven's power so much, as the number of eggs was critical, due to the end of round goals, and it being later in the game. So it would appear its power is somewhat situational, as acknowledged above.
Oddly too, in the first game I got the Killdeer before the Raven; presumably an amateur like myself needs both over-powered cards to win! (Table #295471536 Move #17) Similar thing, except that this time you can partly ignore the Wetlands, by discarding an egg to draw 2 cards! Put them both in the Grasslands, as I did, and it was happy days!
I'm not saying that having an option to remove these cards is terrible, but I wonder if this might open up a can of worms (pardon the terrible pun!) Its all very well choosing certain expansions, or even certain features of a game, but removing cards might mean all kinds of arguments, especially when the effect is very situational. Wingspan is a game in which card draw luck is a significant factor, especially in terms of combinations of cards. Can we really rule confidently in these cases?
I completely support the idea that these 4 cards are significantly overpowered and strong players can more or less automatically win with them if played early.
The difficult thing is, getting the publisher's attention and approval.
Also removing FRANKLIN’S GULL AND KILLDEER would be even better. Two resources for an egg is too over powered.
Where is the ability to remove the big 4?
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
