#70334: ""Fast version"?"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請描述顯示問題。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
I know this is probably an heresy, dont throw rotten eggs to me... let's say i am just brainstorming...
Would it be conceivable to have a "fast start version"?
What I usually feel is that the first 2/3 of the game are spent aimlessly placing the first walls.
There could be an option to randomly put the first, don't know..., 25% of the walls, avoiding to leave boxes with already 3 walls.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
1) faster
2) every beginning is different, giving a (false?) sense of variety
3) I guess not terribly complicated to implement
Cons:
1) not the classic game
2) not sure how to avoid possible bias toward one or the other players
I'm sure the 2/3 of the game seems aimless to the non-initiated (to whom I more or less belong too, so I know rather well the feeling).
1) When discussing the details of the pie rule with the top DnB players on Little Golem (where arguably the strongest living DnB players meet), it has been implied that after the first approx. 5 moves of a 5x5 game (60 moves) the game is often already +/- oriented toward one of the player. In fact who plays first in the 5x5 game IS already winning (this is why I have implemented, as far as I know for the first time in the history of this game, a pie rule).
But this is simply a matter of not being very familiar with the strategy of the game. I have a very similar feeling while playing Chess (in which I am less than simply non-initiated!). Would you suggest a Chess implementation in which the first _n_ moves are random?
2) The second con you quote (how to avoid favouring either player with random moves) is a BIG con: in practice those 15 random moves (out of 60) would decide the game instead of the players! This would transform the game from a random-free, total information game into an almost purely chance game.
These are the major reasons why I deeply disagree with this (ingenuous!) proposal; I'm sure over time I could think of others!
thx for the explanation and ur time
W.
www.docdroid.net/2Ch8voZ/dots-boxes-5x5-pdf#page=3
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 如果您有此錯誤的螢幕截圖（這是個好習慣），您可以使用您選擇的圖片託管服務（例如snipboard.io）上傳它，然後將連結複製/貼上到這裡。
