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#75834: "Game declared us winners when we got executed by queen"
#75834: "Game declared us winners when we got executed by queen"
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細節描述
• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（當前遊戲指示是什麼）
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
The logs says that we got executed by the queen, but the game end screen says we are both winners. I don't know if this was intended since that was my first game.
The garden was not fully filled either.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v107
案件沿革
2022年11月15日 17:29 • ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
According to the rulebook, the final score is equal to the Gardeners' score, then reduce 10 if executed.
BGA treats any solo/co-op games with positive score as 'victory' (regardless of the game rules).
BGA treats any solo/co-op games with positive score as 'victory' (regardless of the game rules).
2022年11月15日 18:04 • wolmot • 這並非程式錯誤:
I really think you should reopen this as an actual bug.
Although it is indeed mentioned that you can keep history track of your scores in the Royal Log as you mention, the Game End is very clear about the win conditions:
You and your teammates win if the royal garden is filled without the Gardeners being caught by the Queen.
Note: Players must still complete all phases of a turn, including guessing a Whim and moving the Queen, even on the turn the garden is fully filled.
You and your teammates immediately lose the game if the Queen reaches or passes the Gardeners on the score track
So it is really very much against the intent and nature of the game to declare a positive score as winning.
The final score will actually always be positive, it doesn’t mean anything but IRL is just kept for history in that Royal Log book.
Although it is indeed mentioned that you can keep history track of your scores in the Royal Log as you mention, the Game End is very clear about the win conditions:
You and your teammates win if the royal garden is filled without the Gardeners being caught by the Queen.
Note: Players must still complete all phases of a turn, including guessing a Whim and moving the Queen, even on the turn the garden is fully filled.
You and your teammates immediately lose the game if the Queen reaches or passes the Gardeners on the score track
So it is really very much against the intent and nature of the game to declare a positive score as winning.
The final score will actually always be positive, it doesn’t mean anything but IRL is just kept for history in that Royal Log book.
2022年11月15日 18:29 • ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
It is tracked by the game stat instead: 'Executed by the Queen'.
Also, The final score can be 0 or negative if players end up with 10 points or less.
Also, The final score can be 0 or negative if players end up with 10 points or less.
2022年11月15日 18:38 • wolmot • 這並非程式錯誤:
You would need to play very very poorly to end up with less than 10 points….
And the game stat doesn’t really reflect the intent of the game win condition.
Of course it is a co-op game, so ELO etc doesn’t count anyway, but it will still be really confusing and unsatisfying to see “win” declared when actually loosing through execution.
I would at least suggest to reopen the bug so other people can upvote it, so you can see how much feedback you get on it.
And the game stat doesn’t really reflect the intent of the game win condition.
Of course it is a co-op game, so ELO etc doesn’t count anyway, but it will still be really confusing and unsatisfying to see “win” declared when actually loosing through execution.
I would at least suggest to reopen the bug so other people can upvote it, so you can see how much feedback you get on it.
2022年11月15日 18:40 • ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
No, BGA does not support house rules basically.
Unless the rules change I'll leave this ticket closed.
Unless the rules change I'll leave this ticket closed.
2022年11月15日 19:46 • wolmot • 這並非程式錯誤:
Sorry, I really don’t understand your reasoning here.
I am not suggesting a house rule, the actual rules from the game are very explicit:
“ You and your teammates immediately lose the game if the Queen reaches or passes the Gardeners on the score track “
It is actually your implementation and the default BGA behavior that are leading to a house rule, by incorrectly recording a positive score as a Win. (Other games on BGA sometimes work around this by forcing scores to become negative in case of specific losing conditions - something you could also easily achieve by for instance distracting another -1000 or whatever when executed by the queen)
Please, take this up again and discuss this issue with the publisher, it seems really strange that they would prefer to have all games declared as Win.
I am not suggesting a house rule, the actual rules from the game are very explicit:
“ You and your teammates immediately lose the game if the Queen reaches or passes the Gardeners on the score track “
It is actually your implementation and the default BGA behavior that are leading to a house rule, by incorrectly recording a positive score as a Win. (Other games on BGA sometimes work around this by forcing scores to become negative in case of specific losing conditions - something you could also easily achieve by for instance distracting another -1000 or whatever when executed by the queen)
Please, take this up again and discuss this issue with the publisher, it seems really strange that they would prefer to have all games declared as Win.
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