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#80304: "Wrong number of cubes were placed on tile"
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規則:遊戲規則有所錯漏
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
My partner had a card with a spade and a club. He placed a tile with a club, and it was surrounded by 3 tiles with clubs. We should have gotten 3 cubes on the tile but 0 cubes appeared.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
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2023年 1月31日 20:57 •
2023年 2月 1日 0:37 •
katemonster20 • 這並非程式錯誤:
2023年 2月 1日 9:26 • AH! It's not a programming bug, it's a problem with the rules as written, which are confusing for new players.
In the original rulebook, this information is not clear at first either, but in an example, it says "One of the symbols must be on the newly placed Shrub tile and the other on an adjacent Shrub tile."
The current rules on BGA say, "This new tile will then be filled with player cubes. For each player, those cubes show how many adjacent tiles can combine with the new tile to match the player's secret card. If the new tile does not match either half of a player's secret card, 0 cubes will be placed for that player."
They should instead read something like, "This new tile will then be filled with player cubes. For each player, if the new tile matches one half of the player's secret card, then cubes of their color will be placed to show how many adjacent tiles match the other half of their secret card. If the new tile does not match either half of a player's secret card, 0 cubes will be placed for that player."
In the original rulebook, this information is not clear at first either, but in an example, it says "One of the symbols must be on the newly placed Shrub tile and the other on an adjacent Shrub tile."
The current rules on BGA say, "This new tile will then be filled with player cubes. For each player, those cubes show how many adjacent tiles can combine with the new tile to match the player's secret card. If the new tile does not match either half of a player's secret card, 0 cubes will be placed for that player."
They should instead read something like, "This new tile will then be filled with player cubes. For each player, if the new tile matches one half of the player's secret card, then cubes of their color will be placed to show how many adjacent tiles match the other half of their secret card. If the new tile does not match either half of a player's secret card, 0 cubes will be placed for that player."
ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
2023年 2月 1日 12:37 • I'm not managing BGA wiki page. Anyone can edit it, so when you find something wrong you can fix it
Kalesele • 這並非程式錯誤:
2023年 5月 3日 9:15 • Similar problem on Table #372985621. Round #3 : The clue-cube on the tile should indicate 4 and not 3 (card to discover is SPIDER-purple)
ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
2023年 5月 3日 20:02 • Again, not a bug. You just misunderstood the rules as only 1 cube is placed per match.
Spade Purple / Spade Purple does not place 2 cubes for Spade / Spade, Purple / Purple, or Spade / Purple.
Spade Purple / Spade Purple does not place 2 cubes for Spade / Spade, Purple / Purple, or Spade / Purple.
connie1234 • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 4月17日 5:37 •
2024年 4月17日 5:40 • Similar problem. Tile #13 shows incorrect number on purple cube. (Expert Version.)
Bananimus Prime • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 5月13日 0:23 • This has just happened to me, the game definitely did not correctly register a ‘Magic tile’.
Game #510465496 Move #31.
A Pink-Diamond was played, next to a Pink-Club, a Pink-Heart, a Yellow-Club, and a Pink-Diamond. The game added 3 cubes.
My guess was Pink-Pink:
Cube 1: The played pink with the pink of Pink-Club
Cube 2: The played pink with the pink of Pink-Heart
Cube 3: The played pink with the pink of Pink-Diamond
With 3 cubes displayed, this is the only possible solution, but it was determined to be incorrect. The actual answer was Pink-Diamond, but in order for that to have been correct there should have been 4 cubes:
Cube 1: The played diamond with the pink of Pink-Club
Cube 2: The played diamond with the pink of Pink-Heart
Cube 3: The played diamond with the pink of Pink-Diamond
Cube 4: The played pink with the diamond of Pink-Diamond
Screenshot: imgur.com/a/B7s7fDR refer to tile 7.
Also refer to page 6 of the official strategy guide for the game: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0283/4324/files/PtR_Strategy_Guide.pdf
I’ve been going over this and the rules of the game for ages now trying to figure this out and where I went wrong, but the only answer I can come up with is that BGA played this move incorrectly.
Game #510465496 Move #31.
A Pink-Diamond was played, next to a Pink-Club, a Pink-Heart, a Yellow-Club, and a Pink-Diamond. The game added 3 cubes.
My guess was Pink-Pink:
Cube 1: The played pink with the pink of Pink-Club
Cube 2: The played pink with the pink of Pink-Heart
Cube 3: The played pink with the pink of Pink-Diamond
With 3 cubes displayed, this is the only possible solution, but it was determined to be incorrect. The actual answer was Pink-Diamond, but in order for that to have been correct there should have been 4 cubes:
Cube 1: The played diamond with the pink of Pink-Club
Cube 2: The played diamond with the pink of Pink-Heart
Cube 3: The played diamond with the pink of Pink-Diamond
Cube 4: The played pink with the diamond of Pink-Diamond
Screenshot: imgur.com/a/B7s7fDR refer to tile 7.
Also refer to page 6 of the official strategy guide for the game: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0283/4324/files/PtR_Strategy_Guide.pdf
I’ve been going over this and the rules of the game for ages now trying to figure this out and where I went wrong, but the only answer I can come up with is that BGA played this move incorrectly.
ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年 5月13日 2:55 • Incorrect. Pink/Diamond - Pink/Diamond does not add 2 cubes. Check the rulebook again.
Nataly_R • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年10月15日 19:09 • I have quite the same case than Bananimus Prime in game #572686732 move #48.
So it means the rules applied on BGA are not the exact ones of the official rules ?
So it means the rules applied on BGA are not the exact ones of the official rules ?
Nataly_R • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年10月15日 19:12 •
2024年10月16日 5:41 • (Sorry I don't know how to edit my previous message to add this)
This is what is written in the short rules on BGA, below the game :
"NB: It's based on tiles, not symbols. This means that 2 heart-pink tiles side-by-side will still only mean 1 match with a heart-pink card."
So no magic cards as described as in the strategy guide, refered by Bananimus Prime ?
This is what is written in the short rules on BGA, below the game :
"NB: It's based on tiles, not symbols. This means that 2 heart-pink tiles side-by-side will still only mean 1 match with a heart-pink card."
So no magic cards as described as in the strategy guide, refered by Bananimus Prime ?
Nataly_R • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年10月17日 10:27 • Well I understand now how it is applied on BGA, but on this strategic guide (is it official ?), you can see the same situation we are describing, and it is clearly said that clues are counted like we are expecting it, in the Magic tiles section. Which is why they are called magic. So maybe it isn't an official guide and the person who have written it has misunderstood too ?
Or BGA applied a different rule and I will follow it now, as it is where I'm playing ;0)
Or BGA applied a different rule and I will follow it now, as it is where I'm playing ;0)
Nataly_R • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年10月17日 10:34 • Ok, just for information it is an official guide as it is linked into the official rules page.
Nataly_R • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年10月17日 10:47 • ufm, isn''t it what you are telling katmk here : boardgamearena.com/bug?id=131486 ?
You are adding the clue we say is missing, with the other people here.
Too bad picture isn't available anymore to get the right view of the situation.
You are adding the clue we say is missing, with the other people here.
Too bad picture isn't available anymore to get the right view of the situation.
ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
2024年10月17日 11:59 •
2024年10月17日 13:43 •
2025年 4月15日 4:04 • If you are not sure about the rules, please ask game forum or BGG, instead necroposting closed reports.
FYI, the publisher confirmed the BGA implementation is working as intended.
FYI, the publisher confirmed the BGA implementation is working as intended.
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