#81228: "Wrong owner assigned to Landmines"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate: Many times, including turn 123 (movement) and turn 62 (taking ground).
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them: Many times, including turn 6.
The Pacific Theater rulebook on page 10 says, "An Engineer unit that moves onto a Minefield hex and that is eligible to battle must clear the Minefield hex instead of battling."
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: Turn 49 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate: Many times, including turn 123 (movement) and turn 62 (taking ground).
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them: Many times, including turn 6.
The Pacific Theater rulebook on page 10 says, "An Engineer unit that moves onto a Minefield hex and that is eligible to battle must clear the Minefield hex instead of battling."
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: Turn 49 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate: Many times, including turn 123 (movement) and turn 62 (taking ground).
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them: Many times, including turn 6.
The Pacific Theater rulebook on page 10 says, "An Engineer unit that moves onto a Minefield hex and that is eligible to battle must clear the Minefield hex instead of battling."
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: Turn 49 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate: Many times, including turn 123 (movement) and turn 62 (taking ground).
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them: Many times, including turn 6.
The Pacific Theater rulebook on page 10 says, "An Engineer unit that moves onto a Minefield hex and that is eligible to battle must clear the Minefield hex instead of battling."
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: Turn 49 -
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate: Many times, including turn 123 (movement) and turn 62 (taking ground).
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them: Many times, including turn 6.
The Pacific Theater rulebook on page 10 says, "An Engineer unit that moves onto a Minefield hex and that is eligible to battle must clear the Minefield hex instead of battling."
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: Turn 49 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate: Many times, including turn 123 (movement) and turn 62 (taking ground).
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them: Many times, including turn 6.
The Pacific Theater rulebook on page 10 says, "An Engineer unit that moves onto a Minefield hex and that is eligible to battle must clear the Minefield hex instead of battling."
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: Turn 49 • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
-
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
Scenario description says, "Mines are laid by the Axis." I emailed the scenario's creator, and he confirmed that this is correct in the Scenario Editor. (This scenario also was used in a tournament in Memoir Online several years ago, and no bugs were reported.)
The scenario treated the Mines instead as if they had been laid by the Allies:
Allied unit moved onto them, and they didn't detonate.
Allied Engineer moved onto them. It didn't automatically remove them, and it was unable to remove them. I got an error message, instead, saying that I couldn't remove them.
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v109
案件沿革
> Infantry moving onto D4: boardgamegeek.com/image/7343168/memoir-44-league
> Infantry taking ground onto B5: boardgamegeek.com/image/7343169/memoir-44-league
Allied Engineer moved onto them and was unable to remove them: boardgamegeek.com/image/7342264/memoir-44-league
Axis unit moved onto them, and they detonated: boardgamegeek.com/image/7342263/memoir-44-league
A similar report was made in another scenario, but the response was that it was not a bug and the player should check with the scenario's creator. boardgamearena.com/bug?id=76180 However, in the present case I have checked with this scenario's creator and confirmed it.
Without a mechanism to verify mines in advance, all SFTF scenarios that employ mines are potentially invalid.
Without a mechanism to verify mines in advance, all SFTF scenarios that employ mines are potentially invalid. --> this not the case, I have checked a lot of them on BGA and there is no issue.
The scenario was also used in a Memoir Online tournament in 2014 without problems.
Here is a turn from one of my DOW game replays where two Japanese units don't trigger their mines: www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=39469345#replay:turn=10
In my 8 games at that scenario on DOW, the only Allied units to go onto the mines were Engineers, so I don't have any examples of the mines detonating.
But here is a turn where Marine Engineers move onto the mines without detonating (because they removed the mines, though the tokens still appear in the replay): www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=39469714#replay:turn=3
Here is the link in the SFTF database: www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=13346
The Scenario Editor Wiki says, <Important note: "Only Allies" means that mines are placed by Allies and will hit Axis. "Only Axis" means that mines are placed by Axis and will hit Allies. "No/Any Side" does not have owner and will hit any side that enters minefield.> (m44sed.daysofwonder.com/)
This confirms that the BGA implementation is contrary to the scenario's specification in the Scenario Editor.
I have tested the scenario you provided and yes there is an inconstency with Memoir44 online, thank you for raising that issue.
This has just been corrected and implemented and will be released very soon.
For the -1 dice flame thrower, I reproduce it, the unit is not recognised as flame thrower unit as it should be but like standard armor, I need more time to investigate why.
The flamethrower tank issue is bug report #81193. boardgamearena.com/bug?id=81193
On that thread, Duncan TMS commented, "The flamethrower tank works when you choose armored elite unit and not armored unit."
Unfortunately, that is not a solution, because nearly 20 years of scenario builders have never needed to use an elite armor unit with the flamethrower badge. In fact, as you undoubtedly know, the only tanks referred to as Elite in Official scenarios are 4 figures. So it appears that flamethrower privileges should be based on the badge. (I look forward to when there are future updates on that thread.)
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
