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#87520: "Black Market Reset - Fara"
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規則:遊戲規則有所錯漏
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
My wife had Fara and 2 Squires with nobody in prison. She then placed a worker at the Black Market to trigger a Black Market Reset which then moved her worker into prison. According to the rules, Fara should be allowed to release the worker from prison and the 2 Squires would activate.
During the game, she was allowed to release the worker but the Squires did not activate. After this, we abandoned the game because Fara's ability was rendered useless.
On a side note, players should be given the opportunity to CHOOSE their asymmetric player board. We had to start and cancel several times to get characters we wanted. After all that, Fara didn't work correctly so we will stick with our physical copy until these adjustments are made. Thanks!• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
Yes, looks like during Move #50.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
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2023年 4月29日 3:48 •
Seanly49 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 4月30日 7:05 • I agree with the Fera bonus of prisoner release when black market resets. It does release the prisoner, but after the negative effects of the reset happen. The correct way this should work is for the person to be released before the negative effects (the -virtue and debt). There is an apprentice card that releases 2 prisoners on black market reset, and that works correctly. If somebody has the combo they should effectively be able to use all 3 black market options and completely avoid any penalty on reset.
The activation of Fera occurs, but after negative effects of BM rest when should be before.
I don't agree with choosing the people you use and like them being random.
The activation of Fera occurs, but after negative effects of BM rest when should be before.
I don't agree with choosing the people you use and like them being random.
TomKy • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 5月 1日 19:53 • I agree on this. I don't have that player board myself, but since the Fara ability is optional, it should not trigger BM reset immediately and should wait until you make the choice, in case you are using a dept accumulation strategy where you sometimes don't want to release than 1 worker from prison to gain a dept card.
This should be fixed.
This should be fixed.
user___ • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 5月28日 14:53 •
2023年 7月26日 10:34 • Yes, this is a bug with Fara's ability. You should be allowed before the tally for negative effects. See this thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/2080903/black-market-refresh
Skiznit • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 8月 1日 17:47 • Same thing happened with me. The game did not allow me to release the worker from prison with Fara until AFTER I took the debt card (for having the only worker in prison, apprentice Gatekeeper released the other two). Also, my Squire's were not activated. Kind of negates the whole power of having her.
Table #393244173 Move #94
Rules state on page 17:
(in abbreviated form)
Black Mark Reset: do things in this order
1. workers from black market to prison
2. flip over small market card
3. any relevant actions on apprentices (or characters presumably) are taken at this point
4. three plus workers lose you virtue
5. most in prison earns a debt card
Table #393244173 Move #94
Rules state on page 17:
(in abbreviated form)
Black Mark Reset: do things in this order
1. workers from black market to prison
2. flip over small market card
3. any relevant actions on apprentices (or characters presumably) are taken at this point
4. three plus workers lose you virtue
5. most in prison earns a debt card
DF500 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 8月 4日 7:33 • Tisch: #402365558 Zug: #176 3.08 22:40Uhr
Gleicher Fehler wie oben: Die Fähigkeit von FARA wird hier ausgelöst nach der vergebung der Tugend/Schuldscheine.
Die Fähigkeit muss davor geschehen.
Gleicher Fehler wie oben: Die Fähigkeit von FARA wird hier ausgelöst nach der vergebung der Tugend/Schuldscheine.
Die Fähigkeit muss davor geschehen.
Niall • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 9月 2日 11:04 • Yep this has nobbled me too and is definitely a rules violation as confirmed by the designer on the BGG thread posted above.
Mojothang • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年 9月 4日 16:11 • This bug basically makes Fara useless as a character in the game. Please fix as it has been validated on BGG for some time.
One Wolf • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2023年10月17日 13:33 •
2024年 2月12日 15:34 • Just had the same thing happen to me. Either fix Fara or remove her as an option.
Vanadium • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2024年 3月 7日 20:16 • Same bug. Had Fara and Gatekeeper with three prisoners.
The prisoners should've been released. Instead I got a debt and didn't get my squire bonus.
The prisoners should've been released. Instead I got a debt and didn't get my squire bonus.
worto03 • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2024年 7月30日 23:27 • I'm sure you already have enough info on this now, makes Fara's ability a bit useless
Another example here, just before this turn
I had 3 workers in prison, it released 2 of them then gave me a debt card, then it used the fara ability to release the other worker but it had already given me a debt card by then
Table #538954677
Move #173
Progression 69%
Another example here, just before this turn
I had 3 workers in prison, it released 2 of them then gave me a debt card, then it used the fara ability to release the other worker but it had already given me a debt card by then
Table #538954677
Move #173
Progression 69%
Guillaume • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2024年11月30日 19:27 • I had the same issue happen in this game, why is it taking so long to address this? As other have mentioned, it basically makes Fara worthless
Guillaume • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2024年11月30日 19:28 • Oh I meant to link the game in the previous comment: boardgamearena.com/table?table=592187508
RaptorRed • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
2025年 3月11日 11:26 • I can confirm this bug happens consistently.
By the way, I think choosing player boards doesn't make sense BUT there should be a draft or auction. Some combos are plain unbalanced, and some characters are not as fun for people.
By the way, I think choosing player boards doesn't make sense BUT there should be a draft or auction. Some combos are plain unbalanced, and some characters are not as fun for people.
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