#94820: "Game breaking exploit with barabarian and coast"
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. -
• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. -
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. -
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. -
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. -
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
With the barbarian infinite sacrifice and the rejuvenate ability on the coast not being limited to 'once per turn', the barbarian was able to infinitely gain energy and single-handedly secured all locations and killed the final foe in one turn.
I'm not sure if this is a situation in the physical version of the game, but it seems like an unintended abuse of ability that could be rectified by having the coast only be able to be activated once per turn. • 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v115
案件沿革
Is there a limit on how many times you can use "Berserk?"
Yes. You can only sacrifice 1 additional Health Point to gain 1 additional Action Point on top of the regular ability to sacrifice 1 Health for 1 extra Action. Effectively, this allows you to perform the sacrifice twice in one turn for a maximum of 2 extra Actions per turn, as opposed to the limit imposed on every other player of only one sacrifice per turn for a maximum of 1 extra Action per turn.
This is a bug.
What I do not know is: Is this FAQ answer official? I could change the behaviour of Berserk to "once per turn". But as soon as I change it, I will get new bug reports saying the ability is not working as written in the card: "you may use Sacrifice >>> multiple times <<< (as long as you have HP to pay)". That's why I hesitate to fix it.
I also tend to the solution to use the coast only once per turn. But i do not foresee this will break something else.
Changing berserk ability to be activated only once per turn is an easy fix.
Any thoughts?
How many times can I use a Region's ability?
Action abilities are limited to being used only once per turn. Passive abilities are always applicable in a Region that is not Destroyed and have no limit on use.
So, the solution to this bug would be making the coast's rejuvenate ability only once per turn.
But this rule would also apply to all other regions. For example 2AP for Forest/Enchant to reduce threat in any outer region. This could only be used once too. I for my self use it frequently more then once per turn. And it does not feel very powerfull.
When you check the Plains/Prayer ability with, it says "2AP: Draw the top card ... (once per Turn)"
I read it this way: The designer already knew an ability can be used more the once per Turn by default, so he needed to explicitly limit the usage.
So the unofficial FAQ does not add up with my thoughts on this.
New idea: I could disable the coast ability as soon as berserk is used once in a turn. This would have the same effect as not beeing able to end the turn in the capital. The player can not heal himself in this turn anymore.
This would not break anything else, because the rule is tied to the berserk ability.
start: 0HP, 4AP
heal: -2AP -> 4HP, 2AP
sacririce all HP: 0HP, 6AP
Using Berserk and Rejuvenate will give you 2 additional AP, however having 0 HP and not beeing able to secure/fight/defend is not the best choice.
Or you get just 1 additional AP while still having 1HP left.
Also this only works at the Coast region as long as you do not move to another Region.
But I forgot I am not building from source control, so this change "accidentally" made it to production.
On the bright side, this exploit is now kind of fixed.
I had not much luck contacting publisher or designer except a one liner from support once. That's why the game was in alpha state this long. I could open a new threat in BGG in hopes someone still cares for the game.
I am still open for other changes / solutions with Berserk ability. But the discussion here on BGA helped a lot.
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- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
