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#101440: "More options to manage timer for developpers"
#101440: "More options to manage timer for developpers"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Hi, here is 3 examples where the timer goes wrong atm:
- the crew deep sea high mission/free choice: it's a cooperative game where one player got about 10 tasks to give to all 4 others players. Players can fully discuss during that phase. While most of the time having 3 minutes is enough to repart the tasks, regularly it's not.
The main point is that most players will not play those high missions. Which mean the penality will be given mainly to players which plays those high mission
- daybreak: you got between 5 actions and 30 to do every turn. Penalities happen very frequently. at this moment, the time per turn for slow games is +9:36 per turn (maximum 6:00). Since it's higher than the maximum time, the extra time got ignored
- reflection: it's a game where each player play solo and try to resolve a puzzle the fastest. It seem to have gotten an internal timer, and every time an action is done, the full timer is given to all players. But it doesn't look optimal• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
2023年10月16日 10:47 • Romain672 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
So what to do?
I propose some of those:
- increase max timer when the timer per turn is too high
- give a function to add more time, a fixed value and the time of a turn
- give an extra X minutes where no timer decrease while all players can discuss
- remove the timer for real time game (and strongly not advise it)
- give a way to put a player out of time (like maybe if no new action happenned while X% of maximum time, this % which could vary from 50% to 1000%)
I propose some of those:
- increase max timer when the timer per turn is too high
- give a function to add more time, a fixed value and the time of a turn
- give an extra X minutes where no timer decrease while all players can discuss
- remove the timer for real time game (and strongly not advise it)
- give a way to put a player out of time (like maybe if no new action happenned while X% of maximum time, this % which could vary from 50% to 1000%)
2023年10月20日 21:27 • Romain672 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Here is a forth one, in the game 'Turing machine', everyone plays at the same time but can decide at any moment to: select a code, choose a first verificator, choose a second one, and choose a third one. (the verificator chosen are public information)(you are gaining extra time after you choose a code, the second and third verificator)
All those actions can be done during the same turn for all players.
This causes problem because when player A sees that player B decided to select a code and choose a certain verificator, that can change the strategy of A.
Even worst, if player A want to maximise his thinking time, he should be choosing a code after the gain of timer don't goes over his limit. And do that too for the verificators.
Even worst, if player A know what is going to do, he should be waiting for all his timer to goes to 1second, and then do his action, to not reveal it to others players.
For this game, there should be a way during a turn where everyone can do actions, to reveal things at the same time.
So per example if player A decides to write a code, it should be hidden information, included timer.
If then player A decides to choose a first verificator, it should still be hidden information.
When player B on a 2 players game decides to write a code, at this moment, the information of A & B writing a code could be revaled.
When player B choose a first verificator too, it should be revealed to all players what A and B has been doing.
Furthermore, the gain of the timer should either be able to goes above the limit during those four actions, OR the initial timer should be higher than the limit (since you got 4 difficult actions to do).
We again goes back to have a way to have an higher timer than the limit.
All those actions can be done during the same turn for all players.
This causes problem because when player A sees that player B decided to select a code and choose a certain verificator, that can change the strategy of A.
Even worst, if player A want to maximise his thinking time, he should be choosing a code after the gain of timer don't goes over his limit. And do that too for the verificators.
Even worst, if player A know what is going to do, he should be waiting for all his timer to goes to 1second, and then do his action, to not reveal it to others players.
For this game, there should be a way during a turn where everyone can do actions, to reveal things at the same time.
So per example if player A decides to write a code, it should be hidden information, included timer.
If then player A decides to choose a first verificator, it should still be hidden information.
When player B on a 2 players game decides to write a code, at this moment, the information of A & B writing a code could be revaled.
When player B choose a first verificator too, it should be revealed to all players what A and B has been doing.
Furthermore, the gain of the timer should either be able to goes above the limit during those four actions, OR the initial timer should be higher than the limit (since you got 4 difficult actions to do).
We again goes back to have a way to have an higher timer than the limit.
2023年12月11日 1:15 • Romain672 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Apparently the same problem of 'Turing Machine' is happening for 'Trek 12' (from that forum post: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=161237#p161237 ).
So you wait for your opponent to do his action first. So if both players optimise and have time to lose, each of them do all of their actions while having less than 5 seconds on their timer.
So you wait for your opponent to do his action first. So if both players optimise and have time to lose, each of them do all of their actions while having less than 5 seconds on their timer.
2024年 1月 2日 12:49 • Romain672 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Example of turing machine situation: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34115
2024年 6月30日 3:13 • Romain672 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Hop on Catan: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37220
One option make it so that you should get differents time limit depending of the option chosen, like the high missions of the crew.
One option make it so that you should get differents time limit depending of the option chosen, like the high missions of the crew.
2024年 9月 7日 19:56 • Romain672 • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
What I reported last on Catan is not resolved by all I asked in my first comment.
You could decide to add like '30s' in timer when 'Cities and Knights' expansion is on/on a specific moment of the code specific to 'Cities and Knights', but that would require the developper to know what is going on to give the right amount.
On the cooperative games, that's not much a problem if the timer given is too high, but on a competitive game like 'Catan', if like the developper decide to put '3minutes' on a fast action, that can goes badly extremely fast. Same if he put a value of like '3x' where x represent anything. The 3 would be writed by the developer which maybe don't understand how all of that work.
So that doesn't work well, which is annoying, and I don't have a great idea about how to resolve it.
You could decide to add like '30s' in timer when 'Cities and Knights' expansion is on/on a specific moment of the code specific to 'Cities and Knights', but that would require the developper to know what is going on to give the right amount.
On the cooperative games, that's not much a problem if the timer given is too high, but on a competitive game like 'Catan', if like the developper decide to put '3minutes' on a fast action, that can goes badly extremely fast. Same if he put a value of like '3x' where x represent anything. The 3 would be writed by the developer which maybe don't understand how all of that work.
So that doesn't work well, which is annoying, and I don't have a great idea about how to resolve it.
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