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#105308: "Live Scoring option"
#105308: "Live Scoring option"
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Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
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Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Table configuration option: live scoring.
Some players like to know the current state of endgame scoring live during the game. If enabled, as well as each player's terraforming rating, display their "endgame points" and total point. "Endgame" as in, the endgame scoring each player would score if the game ended now with no more actions taken.
Awards, Milestones, Cities, Greenery, and played cards are all public information so this could always be calculated manually, but in a digital version the machine can calculate it for you simply. However some people don't like this for various reasons, so make it optional.
It would be nice to also have a UI button which pops up a table showing the contribution of different categories of scoring to this "endgame" score.
This suggestion is similar to many other popular games on BGA such as Agricola.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v119
案件沿革
2023年11月30日 7:46 • Quilzar • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
While I do understand that people want this, I really do not like live scoring in games with variable end game condition that the players control. So I hope it will be optional.
I have far less of a problem with live scoring in games with a fixed number of rounds.
I have far less of a problem with live scoring in games with a fixed number of rounds.
2023年12月 4日 4:36 • Victoria_La • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
That is why I need to add game option, either everybody will see it or not, and you will know when you join the table which option is set
2023年12月 4日 4:37 • Victoria_La • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
Note: currently you can click on score on miniboard to see scroing preview
2023年12月 5日 9:13 • xspuipuke • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
Since all cards played are public knowledge, the only thing de-activating live scoring would do is have all players count up points by themselves. Even now, the game displays all cards with points next to each other and groups the rest (with the exception of some blue cards with VP) so it's pretty easy to count up points as it is, even without live scoring. So activating the option wouldn't prevent players from calculating the score at all times, it would just make it a hassle (which is something one might want to maybe discourage this).
If there will be an option to turn off live scoring, please make live scoring the default and make those who, for whatever reason, want to count points by themselves turn it off.
If there will be an option to turn off live scoring, please make live scoring the default and make those who, for whatever reason, want to count points by themselves turn it off.
2023年12月24日 15:40 • startrekchekov • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
this option would speed up gameplay. I've had situations where I have to decide whether or not to end or go to the next generation. it required me going through everyone's cards and counting card points and animals, etc..
The same could be applied to knowing who to hit on a destructive card effect.
As was said before, none of it is secret info so having a counter just speeds up the game as it makes gameplay decisions quicker.
I think the only quibble is whether or not to give a current accounting of awards points when calculating the live score. I would say no since those points aren't "live" and calculating them would mean predicting income and intentions (someone might get enough plants to place a greenery but choose not to, for instance). but just having a running counter summing card points, milestones points, and board points with TR would be quite handy
The same could be applied to knowing who to hit on a destructive card effect.
As was said before, none of it is secret info so having a counter just speeds up the game as it makes gameplay decisions quicker.
I think the only quibble is whether or not to give a current accounting of awards points when calculating the live score. I would say no since those points aren't "live" and calculating them would mean predicting income and intentions (someone might get enough plants to place a greenery but choose not to, for instance). but just having a running counter summing card points, milestones points, and board points with TR would be quite handy
2024年 1月26日 10:31 • Quilzar • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
I am pretty sure this is not relevant as it seems like it will be optional, but to be clear I do not "want to count points by themselves".
I want my BGA experience to match my in real life experience, I am 99% sure in real life people are not counting everyone's exact score and deciding when to end the game, end game score is deliberately hard to work out, imo you are not meant to have perfect knowledge.
I want my BGA experience to match my in real life experience, I am 99% sure in real life people are not counting everyone's exact score and deciding when to end the game, end game score is deliberately hard to work out, imo you are not meant to have perfect knowledge.
2024年 1月27日 10:39 • xspuipuke • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
But that’s the thing: your BGA experience will NEVER match your real life experience. In real life, you do NOT have a tag, cities, and greeneries counter. In Real life, you see all cards, the table and everything in front of you; here, you have to scroll to see stuff (unless you’ve got maybe a humongous screen). In real life, you DO notice when a player plays a card; here, you often need to consult the log to see what happens.
Throwing “real life experience” against live scoring is a weak argument at best.
Throwing “real life experience” against live scoring is a weak argument at best.
2024年 2月 2日 23:44 • Supergravity • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
The live scoring is already almost fully there. Two things:
* The number in the brown ball to the upper right of the players TR only shows the TR. Now if you click on it, it shows the accumulated scoring, adding in the greenery, city, and card points. Probably, instead of always duplicating the TR number, it should show the accumulated score number.
* The accumulated score right now does not include points for Jupiter multipliers, Immigration Shuttles,and I think Commercial District. (The end-of-game scoring does get these right.)
* The number in the brown ball to the upper right of the players TR only shows the TR. Now if you click on it, it shows the accumulated scoring, adding in the greenery, city, and card points. Probably, instead of always duplicating the TR number, it should show the accumulated score number.
* The accumulated score right now does not include points for Jupiter multipliers, Immigration Shuttles,and I think Commercial District. (The end-of-game scoring does get these right.)
2024年 2月 3日 0:26 • Victoria_La • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
Well there is always two camps - people who want to see live scoring vs not. So it needs to be an option.
Personally if I see how much behind I really am I would not be that encouraged to finish the game.
Personally if I see how much behind I really am I would not be that encouraged to finish the game.
2024年 2月17日 15:54 • volltonfarbe • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
Yes, it should be optional, but as Supergravity pointed out, it is already half-implemented. But in a confusing way, it should either display everything (and adjust the combined score in the little planet symbol), or nothing (i.e. just the terraforming value).
2024年 2月17日 18:40 • Victoria_La • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
I don't think we would be removing scoring preview even option is set not to track score. If I don't want to see it I would not press the button to see it, I think its the idea (like in real game - you can always calculate the score its visible for most part)
2024年 2月24日 12:20 • jaybmate • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
If making live scoring an 'option', why would the scoring preview still remain? (I assume you're talking about the "Score Summary" pop-up).
If that remained, then the full score would still be 1 click away.
When people say they want the option to not have it, they aren't saying they don't just want to see the score show up, as if its some kind of spoiler they want to avoid. Its because they don't want any one in their game to see it, because it affects how people play.
Yes, people can manually count everything, but as in the board game, especially in live games, people don't bother to go through all that alot of the time, and if they do, they likely won't always get it 100% accurate.
I think even the 'VPs' on cards tally should have an option to be hidden too, personally. But if that isn't, I'm not so fussed.
If that remained, then the full score would still be 1 click away.
When people say they want the option to not have it, they aren't saying they don't just want to see the score show up, as if its some kind of spoiler they want to avoid. Its because they don't want any one in their game to see it, because it affects how people play.
Yes, people can manually count everything, but as in the board game, especially in live games, people don't bother to go through all that alot of the time, and if they do, they likely won't always get it 100% accurate.
I think even the 'VPs' on cards tally should have an option to be hidden too, personally. But if that isn't, I'm not so fussed.
2024年 3月30日 14:54 • Victoria_La • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
To summarize: there is two camps of people one want live scoring and one don't
To satisfy both we need game option, which has to be set during game creation,
possible values
- No live scroring - points are not updated (as now), and No score preview available either (unlike now)
- Live scoring - points are updated (unlike now), and score preview available (which explains the score, like now)
- No live scoring, but preview availale - exactly like now (i.e. its not in your face, so it up to you to peek or not)
Thoughts?
To satisfy both we need game option, which has to be set during game creation,
possible values
- No live scroring - points are not updated (as now), and No score preview available either (unlike now)
- Live scoring - points are updated (unlike now), and score preview available (which explains the score, like now)
- No live scoring, but preview availale - exactly like now (i.e. its not in your face, so it up to you to peek or not)
Thoughts?
2024年 3月30日 16:58 • RealLife_ • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
I think it would make more sense to have it publicly available in the circle, with maybe an option to turn it off in the settings somewhere. Making people click every time, like it is now, seems a bit unnecessary.
That being said, it's not a huge deal, and the most important part is that it's there. Forcing people to count scores themselves on a highly competitive platform just results in slower games and seems completely pointless to me.
That being said, it's not a huge deal, and the most important part is that it's there. Forcing people to count scores themselves on a highly competitive platform just results in slower games and seems completely pointless to me.
2024年 3月30日 17:52 • Victoria_La • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
The opposite bug (to remove preview) is here boardgamearena.com/bug?id=107002
2024年 4月 1日 17:47 • RoyalRook • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
If people wants to play an inferior game because they think not seeing score all the time, while playing a board game so they can have participation trophies like they are getting for their whole lives then please give them the option to do so themselves, so they can leave the rest of us alone. Never ever set it as a game option for everyone, it will ruin match making.
2024年 4月 2日 19:14 • Shpam • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
I absolutely don't get why people would disagree to offer the option to make it unavailable. If you don't like it, it's an option.
Having the possibility to have it hidden has several advantages, which have already been discussed here :
- If I see I'm 30 points behind I won't see the point of trying anymore
- If everyone sees at all times who has the most points, they will just strike that one until he isn't first anymore
- If I see I am behind I know that I have to take some more risks to win, instead of just having to gauge it
If it isn't displayed, it makes the game more "spontaneous", which I like.
Some people who like to optimize and have knowledge at all times. And it's great, we all want to have fun.
It would also make total sense to have it displayed automatically for arena games.
Saying "you don't have to look at it" misses the point that if one has access to the information, he has an advantage.
@Victoria_La the 3 options you suggested are perfect, thanks for your great work!
Having the possibility to have it hidden has several advantages, which have already been discussed here :
- If I see I'm 30 points behind I won't see the point of trying anymore
- If everyone sees at all times who has the most points, they will just strike that one until he isn't first anymore
- If I see I am behind I know that I have to take some more risks to win, instead of just having to gauge it
If it isn't displayed, it makes the game more "spontaneous", which I like.
Some people who like to optimize and have knowledge at all times. And it's great, we all want to have fun.
It would also make total sense to have it displayed automatically for arena games.
Saying "you don't have to look at it" misses the point that if one has access to the information, he has an advantage.
@Victoria_La the 3 options you suggested are perfect, thanks for your great work!
2024年 4月28日 1:09 • Victoria_La • 此建議已獲實施:
I finally added this, so there is table option to disable live scoring, which is not recommended.
If its not set - there is user choice to see it or not, which is controled by user preference - its on by default
If its not set - there is user choice to see it or not, which is controled by user preference - its on by default
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