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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
From move 7 on.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
From move 7 on.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
From move 7 on.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
From move 7 on.• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
From move 7 on.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
From move 7 on.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
In Machiavelli wins the one who finish all the cards in his hand, not the one who has less cards when the deck ends. This additional rule is not present in any of the Rules I've browsed, both in English and Italian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli_(Italian_card_game)
A player can exploit this rule by picking up as much card as possible (3 every turn as a penalty) and then discard fastly many cards towards the end. But this strategy cannot be adopted in the original version of the game, and it's actually quite ruining the game experience• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v31
案件沿革
2014年 2月11日 8:27 • Sourisdudesert • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
This is the way the game has been implemented right now, for good reasons (limiting the game duration).
We are thinking about alternatives...
We are thinking about alternatives...
2014年 2月11日 11:20 • Tejo • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
If I may give a suggestion, there is a BIG problem with the actual implementation of the rules.
When a player takes the 3 card penalty the table should be restores as it was AT THE BEGINNING of the round, thing that actually doesn't happen and that made possible to use this bug to get an automatic win in the last round.
You should introduce something to limit this situation ('cause the player who take advantage of this situation is going to do it sistematically in every game he played... and trust me, it's sad that one player plays nasty with this trick and all other users can't do anything ), as
1) To effectively restore the table as it was on the beginning of the round, or
2) Introduce something like a limit to cheat in this way (i.e. after 5 penalties you get the lost game), or
3) Declare the draw if the deck ends (in the original Machiavelli card game the purpose of the game it's to place all the cards in your hand on the table, not trying to finish the deck with less card than your opponent).
If you can try to fix the problem 'cause the situation is really really frustrating... it's like if in any kind of sport someone instead of playing with the rules is taking automatically a win by forfeit
When a player takes the 3 card penalty the table should be restores as it was AT THE BEGINNING of the round, thing that actually doesn't happen and that made possible to use this bug to get an automatic win in the last round.
You should introduce something to limit this situation ('cause the player who take advantage of this situation is going to do it sistematically in every game he played... and trust me, it's sad that one player plays nasty with this trick and all other users can't do anything ), as
1) To effectively restore the table as it was on the beginning of the round, or
2) Introduce something like a limit to cheat in this way (i.e. after 5 penalties you get the lost game), or
3) Declare the draw if the deck ends (in the original Machiavelli card game the purpose of the game it's to place all the cards in your hand on the table, not trying to finish the deck with less card than your opponent).
If you can try to fix the problem 'cause the situation is really really frustrating... it's like if in any kind of sport someone instead of playing with the rules is taking automatically a win by forfeit
2014年 2月11日 11:46 • Suturn • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
Yes, I would say max 3 Restore. And then that player has automatically lost.
2014年 2月15日 10:11 • Tejo • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
Probably it's better to introduce all the 3 proposal, to avoid some other nasty way of play tending to let finish out the cards in the deck.
I remember, the purpose of the game it's to play all the cards in your hand, and when the deck finished in the real card game all the players lost, no one should get a win this way.
I remember, the purpose of the game it's to play all the cards in your hand, and when the deck finished in the real card game all the players lost, no one should get a win this way.
2014年 2月24日 19:51 • hemhel • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
Same bug on table 7497640, there is only 2 cards left, my opponent take 3 penalty cards, but the cards he previously played stayed on the table, causing me losing the game whereas i had fewer cards in hands.
2014年 7月20日 10:36 • Tejo • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
Please solve this problem (you said one of the reason you coded the game this way is to prevent an excessive lenght of the game, now that there is the turn-based modality this problem doesn't exist anymore).
Now there are more players that use this... let's call "feature" to get a victory.
I repeat, this can let you play in a way that in the real game will give you a loss and make you score a win, this is exactly the opposite of the purpose of the game.
So sad that people who uses this... to me is still a cheat, will improve their record.
Now there are more players that use this... let's call "feature" to get a victory.
I repeat, this can let you play in a way that in the real game will give you a loss and make you score a win, this is exactly the opposite of the purpose of the game.
So sad that people who uses this... to me is still a cheat, will improve their record.
2014年 7月22日 13:57 • Tejo • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
I found a site (www.ilruolodelgioco.it/irdg/giochi-carte/machiavelli.php) in which there are well explained the 2 conditions of victory in the end
1) The first player who finish the cards in his/her hand wins the game
2) When a player reach his/her 5th penalty is disqualified from the game.
If possible please apply this rules to avoid what's happening now on BGA, that more player are going to use this fraudulent way of play to get an automatic win when in the real card game you'll get a loss.
1) The first player who finish the cards in his/her hand wins the game
2) When a player reach his/her 5th penalty is disqualified from the game.
If possible please apply this rules to avoid what's happening now on BGA, that more player are going to use this fraudulent way of play to get an automatic win when in the real card game you'll get a loss.
2014年11月20日 5:46 • deszczyk • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
I think an orginal version (if Tejo is telling true) is stiupid and not interesting.
The winning depends only on luck.
The version that is implement is more interesting and depends on tactic.
Noone have to take so much cards that the other can take all, and the game is honest.
I vore to not change the version of this game
The winning depends only on luck.
The version that is implement is more interesting and depends on tactic.
Noone have to take so much cards that the other can take all, and the game is honest.
I vore to not change the version of this game
2014年12月 3日 13:06 • fedetsrm • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
I agree with Tejo, this is a tipical italian game... and here we play cards, not play for the penalties.... so please correct that bug, because change totally the game, i really hate that "tactic" infer. Agree that is a cheat.
2014年12月 8日 19:11 • Tejo • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
Lol deszczyk, gaining by using a bug it's REALLY tactical. And if both players use this kind of "tactic", the one who starts will be the one who will have 3 cards at the end of the game, so he'll get an automatic win... there's no luck, only tactic in being sorted the first player to start. Really no luck.
I repeat: an admin said
"This is the way the game has been implemented right now, for good reasons (limiting the game duration).
We are thinking about alternatives..."
Now there is no more problem about the game duration with the turn-base games, so I assume it will be better to erase a rule invented on the site (a really nasty one BTW, 'cause it won't concede the chance to play to the players who don't use that cheat) to restore original rules of the game
I repeat: an admin said
"This is the way the game has been implemented right now, for good reasons (limiting the game duration).
We are thinking about alternatives..."
Now there is no more problem about the game duration with the turn-base games, so I assume it will be better to erase a rule invented on the site (a really nasty one BTW, 'cause it won't concede the chance to play to the players who don't use that cheat) to restore original rules of the game
2017年12月22日 2:39 • Lotus Blossom • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
So this bug was confirmed three years ago, but still not resolved? I just lost a game to someone doing that. I've decided not to play this game anymore, this bug plus the tendency to hoard cards makes for a really dull and joyless game. Shame really, as I like the concept.
2018年 4月 4日 11:34 • Estemy • 開發者已確認這項錯誤:
2 weeks ago i play against someone with a very high ranking. His strategy is to draw cards until the deck is almost empty. They know exactly what cards you have since they have entire deck in their hand. meanwhile you try to make some moves with just your cards and he keeps drawing cards. He draws them until he can play his entire hand in 1 turn (and your previous moves help him). This removes all fun and interest out of the game. You cannot plan any moves because your opponent never lays anything on the table until the end. It becomes 90% certain he will win no matter who he plays against.
2022年10月 2日 11:13 • tchobello • 錯誤已修復:
rule updated: player with less cards wins and 13 cards anti-hoarding rule still applies.
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