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#21852: "The game fills until 8 cards. But the official Dutch rules say to draw 8 new cards"
#21852: "The game fills until 8 cards. But the official Dutch rules say to draw 8 new cards"
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細節描述
• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
The end of each round is not according to the rules.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
The end of each round is not according to the rules.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
The end of each round is not according to the rules.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
The end of each round is not according to the rules.• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
The end of each round is not according to the rules.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
The end of each round is not according to the rules.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
The Dutch rulebook make it very clear that a new round adds 8 cards to the hand, giving a maximum of 12 cards in the hand. The rules as implemented only fills the hand back to 8 cards.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
2020年 7月30日 1:15 • wizztick • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
The Dutch version of the website points at the Dutch rulebook, this creates quite a bit confusion. It would be great if selecting the ruleset as an option. (fill hand vs draw 8)?
This is discussed at boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=15737
Page 11 at www.gebruikershandleiding.com/999-games-Elfenland/preview-handleiding-574908.html mentions this rule. Translated into English: "He distributes eight new travel cards to all players. The players have between zero and four cards from the previous turn. Thus they have eight to twelve travel cards the next turn."
This is discussed at boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=15737
Page 11 at www.gebruikershandleiding.com/999-games-Elfenland/preview-handleiding-574908.html mentions this rule. Translated into English: "He distributes eight new travel cards to all players. The players have between zero and four cards from the previous turn. Thus they have eight to twelve travel cards the next turn."
2020年11月29日 21:14 • Gudo Bosch • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
Also the official English rules say: "At the end of the player's turn, the number of cards he holds in his hand is reduced to four'". So you can keep 4 cards for the next round, which means you can have 12 cards in the following round.
2020年11月29日 21:22 • Volker78 • 這並非程式錯誤:
This is from the english rules:
1. Deal The Travel Tards
On the first round, the Starting Player shuffles the Travel Cards and
deals 8 cards to each player. The remaining cards are placed in a
stack next to the board. On subsequent rounds, the Starting Player
shuffles all Travel Cards from the Travel Card stack. He then deals
new Travel Cards to each player until each player holds eight
Travel Cards in his hand.
1. Deal The Travel Tards
On the first round, the Starting Player shuffles the Travel Cards and
deals 8 cards to each player. The remaining cards are placed in a
stack next to the board. On subsequent rounds, the Starting Player
shuffles all Travel Cards from the Travel Card stack. He then deals
new Travel Cards to each player until each player holds eight
Travel Cards in his hand.
2020年11月29日 21:44 • Volker78 • 這並非程式錯誤:
The English rules I cited are very clear, so nothing to discuss.
2020年11月29日 22:11 • Gudo Bosch • 這並非程式錯誤:
Aus den deutschen Regeln: "Am Ende des Zuges wird die Anzahl der Karten auf der Hand auf 4 reduziert."
2020年11月29日 22:15 • Volker78 • 這並非程式錯誤:
Ja aber das widerspricht ja nicht der Regel, die auf 8 aufzufüllen.
2020年11月29日 22:44 • wizztick • 這並非程式錯誤:
There are very clearly different rules around. I would much appreciate the option to play to the rules me and my friends know. \
People that own the hard-copy of the game hold up their copy of the official rule book that came with the game and it's hard to explain that on this platform their rules are not supported. If it was a detail, it would have been alright, but this rule changes the game dynamics quite a lot
Is it possible to have an option to select 'keep up-to 4 cards et the end of a round and deal 8 cards each round'? I don't care if it is a defect or not, as long as I have that rule set as an option, I'm happy.
People that own the hard-copy of the game hold up their copy of the official rule book that came with the game and it's hard to explain that on this platform their rules are not supported. If it was a detail, it would have been alright, but this rule changes the game dynamics quite a lot
Is it possible to have an option to select 'keep up-to 4 cards et the end of a round and deal 8 cards each round'? I don't care if it is a defect or not, as long as I have that rule set as an option, I'm happy.
2020年11月30日 5:47 • Volker78 • 這並非程式錯誤:
Dutch rules have a translation bug and should be reported to the Dutch publisher.
2020年11月30日 10:04 • Koo-Lin • 這並非程式錯誤:
Can we upgrade this bug report to a feature request? Or do we need to create a new one.
I do agree with @wizztick that this drawing of 8 cards opens a new strategic possibilities. I would be nice to allow others to also experience this extra level of strategy in Elfenland.
I do agree with @wizztick that this drawing of 8 cards opens a new strategic possibilities. I would be nice to allow others to also experience this extra level of strategy in Elfenland.
2021年 3月 6日 23:11 • Silvia2020 • 這並非程式錯誤:
We are used to the Dutch rules (every round 8 extra cards; resulting in a total of max 12 cards), and this does give nice strategy options.
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