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#23714: "game allowed me to break communication rules"
#23714: "game allowed me to break communication rules"
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細節描述
• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
Move 12 :11:22:02 AM
jade_alarm tells 53 is its highest card of this color• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
the crew manual page 6
If you want to communicate, take one of your color cards
and put it face up in front of you so everyone can see it. This
card remains part of your set of cards, so it can be played in
the normal way. The only difference is that every other crew
member now knows you have this card as well. Then place
your radio communication token with the green side up on
the card to give your crew members even more information:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
---
The bga adaption let me put the token at the top of pink five even though it was my only pink card so I should have placed it in the middle.
It could be fixed by implementing this suggestion boardgamearena.com/bug?id=22931• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
2020年 9月 8日 14:10 • phyphor • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
100% agree with this.
If you want to communicate the game should check whether you can communicate the card you want, and then automatically place the token in the right place, whether that's highest, lowest, only, or middle and red face up if a dead zone.
If you want to communicate the game should check whether you can communicate the card you want, and then automatically place the token in the right place, whether that's highest, lowest, only, or middle and red face up if a dead zone.
2020年 9月 8日 14:15 • phyphor • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I added a screenshot that shows this bug to the original report.
2020年 9月 8日 15:36 • Mistergos • 這並非程式錯誤:
If it is your only card, you can place your token wherever you want. Nothing prevents you in the rules to say it is your highest card, since it is.
2020年 9月 8日 23:47 • jade_alarm • 這並非程式錯誤:
This game doesn't have a traitor, there is never a reason to imply to the other players that I have more cards that I actually don't have.
And the rules say that if it's my only card, I should place my token in the middle. Yes, my only card will necessarily be also my highest and lowest, but only overrides that because it is more specific (just like the arrows at traffic lights override the disc)
And the rules say that if it's my only card, I should place my token in the middle. Yes, my only card will necessarily be also my highest and lowest, but only overrides that because it is more specific (just like the arrows at traffic lights override the disc)
2020年 9月 9日 9:50 • qqzm • 這並非程式錯誤:
> At the top, if it is your highest card of this color.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
I believe the rules intend the "if" to mean "if and only if" - ie the way most regular people would use the word if, not the way computer programmers would use it. Therefore, when the card is your only card of a colour the rules do not give you the choice of where to put it, it must go in the middle.
Even if it were allowed by the rules, I can't see that anyone would ever want to place it at the top or bottom when it's the only. It gives less information to your teammates and potentially confuses. The only possibility I can see is coming-up with some sort of convention where you say 1 is your highest or 9 is your lowest and it means some sort of special signal, but that seems like you're trying to break the game.
> In the middle, if it is your only card of this color.
> At the bottom, if it is your lowest card of this color.
I believe the rules intend the "if" to mean "if and only if" - ie the way most regular people would use the word if, not the way computer programmers would use it. Therefore, when the card is your only card of a colour the rules do not give you the choice of where to put it, it must go in the middle.
Even if it were allowed by the rules, I can't see that anyone would ever want to place it at the top or bottom when it's the only. It gives less information to your teammates and potentially confuses. The only possibility I can see is coming-up with some sort of convention where you say 1 is your highest or 9 is your lowest and it means some sort of special signal, but that seems like you're trying to break the game.
2020年 9月 9日 22:06 • jade_alarm • 這並非程式錯誤:
Further from the rules page 7
The placement of the radio communication tokens may
not be changed if the statement is no longer correct. For
example, a communicated “highest” card may become
the “only” card during the game. Nevertheless, the radio
communication token may not be moved.
----
This clearly states that a communication of highest is not correct if it is your only card.
The placement of the radio communication tokens may
not be changed if the statement is no longer correct. For
example, a communicated “highest” card may become
the “only” card during the game. Nevertheless, the radio
communication token may not be moved.
----
This clearly states that a communication of highest is not correct if it is your only card.
2020年 9月19日 13:29 • fat4lity • 這並非程式錯誤:
@jade_alarm - i disagree with your interpretation here. The rule excerpt you are quoting, talks about the communication token's place not being changed as the game progresses. It doesn't disallow you from placing it in the middle/top/bottom if its your only card.
I agree that its suboptimal to clue it anything else if its your only card, however, BGA intends to implement the games as close to offline behavior as possible. Sub-optimal play or mistakes are part of any co-op. I don't think its fair to call it a bug when implemented as it is.
This could be put forth as a suggestion though. Just like picking up of the last task card.
I agree that its suboptimal to clue it anything else if its your only card, however, BGA intends to implement the games as close to offline behavior as possible. Sub-optimal play or mistakes are part of any co-op. I don't think its fair to call it a bug when implemented as it is.
This could be put forth as a suggestion though. Just like picking up of the last task card.
2020年 9月21日 9:09 • jade_alarm • 這並非程式錯誤:
If it were correct to communicate "highest" when placing down an "only" card then the communication would stay correct in the example in the rulebook. But they present it as an example of the statement made by the placement of the token becoming incorrect over the course of the game.
2020年10月21日 18:08 • AlexTFish • 這並非程式錯誤:
This is clearly misimplemented. "Allowing players to illegally miscommunicate" is in the same category as "allowing players to knock over the deck of cards" or "allowing players to pick up the wrong number of resources". When communicating, there is only one legal choice. jade_alarm's rules excerpt says that "the statement is no longer correct" when a "highest" becomes an "only". So the designers clearly intended that an "only" can not be clued as a "highest".
(Secondarily, as jade_alarm mentioned earlier, this is a cooperative game: there's no reason to use up your very limited communication resource communicating less than is optimal.)
But primarily, this is just a bug: the rulebook clearly implies that an "only" card is NOT also a "highest" card. So there's at most one way to communicate about any card, and you shouldn't need to place the communication token manually.
(Secondarily, as jade_alarm mentioned earlier, this is a cooperative game: there's no reason to use up your very limited communication resource communicating less than is optimal.)
But primarily, this is just a bug: the rulebook clearly implies that an "only" card is NOT also a "highest" card. So there's at most one way to communicate about any card, and you shouldn't need to place the communication token manually.
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