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#51619: "Writing desk forces you to pay 2f first, instead of after playing the first occ"
#51619: "Writing desk forces you to pay 2f first, instead of after playing the first occ"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
the text on writing desk says it's for the second occupation, not that you have to pay that before playing the first.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
the text on writing desk says it's for the second occupation, not that you have to pay that before playing the first.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
the text on writing desk says it's for the second occupation, not that you have to pay that before playing the first.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
the text on writing desk says it's for the second occupation, not that you have to pay that before playing the first.• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
the text on writing desk says it's for the second occupation, not that you have to pay that before playing the first.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
the text on writing desk says it's for the second occupation, not that you have to pay that before playing the first.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
I can't use writing desk even though I have 1f to first play paper maker, but then after I can't use writing desk. It forces me to have 2f before I play the first occ to use writing desk.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v94
案件沿革
2021年10月28日 10:36 • Tisaac • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
Where do you see any mention of being the 2nd occupation on the writting desk ???
' 'Each time you use a __Lessons__ action space, you can play 1 additional occupation for an occupation cost of 2 <FOOD>.'
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' 'Each time you use a __Lessons__ action space, you can play 1 additional occupation for an occupation cost of 2 <FOOD>.'
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2021年10月28日 20:20 • Lumin_S • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
Agree that the implementation is consistent with the 2f occupation happening first. All other cards with "each time/when you use __action space__" effects have the same ordering (e.g. Harpooner paying wood before receiving stuff on __Fishing__)
2021年10月29日 18:22 • Robin • 開發者需要更多資訊以重現這項錯誤:
I think the language is pretty clear,
It clearly states: play one additional, which means one more... Not sure how you can play an additional occupation first. That's like going to a restaurant and getting an additional dessert first somehow? The word additional clearly indicates you play an occupation After not before. Other cards also state 'before doing x' just like additional implies afterwards
It clearly states: play one additional, which means one more... Not sure how you can play an additional occupation first. That's like going to a restaurant and getting an additional dessert first somehow? The word additional clearly indicates you play an occupation After not before. Other cards also state 'before doing x' just like additional implies afterwards
2021年10月29日 21:02 • Tisaac • 這並非程式錯誤:
Agree with Lumin, it's clearly written in the revised rulebook (and confirmed by lookout) that "using an action space" is triggered before applying the effect of the action space itself.
Cards specifying "before doing X" are completely different, they are usually about making possible taking the action eventhough you didnt had proper resources to take them in the first place.
Cards specifying "before doing X" are completely different, they are usually about making possible taking the action eventhough you didnt had proper resources to take them in the first place.
2021年10月31日 22:11 • torvaldur_makan • 這並非程式錯誤:
I completely agree with Robin, the language is clear. "An additional" must obviously take place after the first one.
Where is it "clearly written in the revised rulebook" that this is the case. I for sure cannot find it...
In my experience, if an effect is not states as "before" or "after", the player can choose the order.
If you insist on this bonkers interpretation, can you at the very least change the wording on the card? "Before each time you use a __Lessons__ action space, you can play 1 additional occupation for an occupation cost of 2" would be much clearer. Robin and me won't be the last ones getting fooled by this...
Where is it "clearly written in the revised rulebook" that this is the case. I for sure cannot find it...
In my experience, if an effect is not states as "before" or "after", the player can choose the order.
If you insist on this bonkers interpretation, can you at the very least change the wording on the card? "Before each time you use a __Lessons__ action space, you can play 1 additional occupation for an occupation cost of 2" would be much clearer. Robin and me won't be the last ones getting fooled by this...
2021年10月31日 22:19 • Tisaac • 這並非程式錯誤:
Hey, i am not the one writting the rulebook and the cards, just implementing the revised edition lookout made. Again, in this edition, using an action space means putting his farmer on the action space and it's triggered right away, no further discussion on that. Now on the card text, that might worth asking lookout to change it but i can't do that on my own.
2021年10月31日 22:20 • Tisaac • 這並非程式錯誤:
I mean i can't change it on my own, i will ask publisher for approval.
2021年11月 2日 22:56 • jooool • 這並非程式錯誤:
After some thinking how other cards work even in the original EIK-game for me it's OK that you have to pay the cost for the 2f occupation first, but what annoys me is that the wording from EIK which was alot better (at least in my opinion) was changed, which also changes how the card work in revised edition when comparing to the original version of Agricola. This is probably also why it confuses players who played this game for a long time before and know how the cards "works" but then it gets reworded and changed.
In the E-deck it's phrased:
"Whenever you use an "Occupation" Action, you may play 2 Occupations one after another. The second Occupation costs you 2 Food."
In the E-deck it's phrased:
"Whenever you use an "Occupation" Action, you may play 2 Occupations one after another. The second Occupation costs you 2 Food."
2021年11月 4日 3:14 • fiscused • 這並非程式錯誤:
The reason the occupation from the space comes first is because you cannot play an "additional" occupation if you have not already played an occupation.
see this example sentence: Larger windows will require additional work, but the additional light they will provide may be worth the extra trouble.
You can't do "additional" work first, you have to do the regular amount of work first.
see this example sentence: Larger windows will require additional work, but the additional light they will provide may be worth the extra trouble.
You can't do "additional" work first, you have to do the regular amount of work first.
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