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#83835: "Set up of the base game not respected"
#83835: "Set up of the base game not respected"
這是關於哪方面的案件?
發生什麼事? 請從下方選擇
規則:遊戲規則有所錯漏
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規則:遊戲規則有所錯漏
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細節描述
• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
Yes at the set up• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
Yes at the set up• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
Yes at the set up• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
Yes at the set up• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
Yes at the set up• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
Yes at the set up• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
Actually, when you start a game, you choose an appentice. Normaly, in the base game, you don't choose an appentice.
This rule exists only with the extension which is not proposed in the options.
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Google Chrome v111
案件沿革
2023年 3月22日 0:43 • SJ-the-kiwi • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
This is an intended change - approved by designer and publisher
2023年 3月24日 1:59 • SJ-the-kiwi • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
See the following post: boardgamegeek.com/thread/3039082/two-expansion-rules-be-implemented-base-game-bga
2023年 3月28日 10:00 • Phoxtrot • 開發者尚未重現這項錯誤:
I think this should be an option with some explanation because it's always a bit weird to have rules that are not explained in the rulebook. If nothing else, this makes you worry that there might be other rules you are not aware of.
•Players will get to draft one starting apprentice in reverse turn order (Page 3 of Age of Artisans rulebook).
•When placing a Worker on the 3rd slot in the first 3 rows of the Guildhall discard both Apprentices in the left-most column on the Main Board and refill the empty spaces as normal. Any Silver on discarded Apprentice Cards should be returned to the Supply (Page 4 of Age of Artisans rulebook).
•Players will get to draft one starting apprentice in reverse turn order (Page 3 of Age of Artisans rulebook).
•When placing a Worker on the 3rd slot in the first 3 rows of the Guildhall discard both Apprentices in the left-most column on the Main Board and refill the empty spaces as normal. Any Silver on discarded Apprentice Cards should be returned to the Supply (Page 4 of Age of Artisans rulebook).
2023年 4月 7日 15:23 • VortexSurfer • 這並非程式錯誤:
"notabug" - This is insufficient:
As described above, the rule changes have to be stated somewhere!
You're linking to a different version of the rules. This is confusing.
As described above, the rule changes have to be stated somewhere!
You're linking to a different version of the rules. This is confusing.
2023年 4月 8日 5:13 • beanRoaster • 這並非程式錯誤:
I would agree with VortexSurfer - this setup variation of selecting an apprentice is lifted from one of the game expansions, and is not really a rule for the base game. At a minimum, it should be an option (not a default one) that can be selected for the game. It's confusing for those who are expecting to play the base game and haven't ever played the expansion
2023年 4月 8日 5:40 • ufm • 這並非程式錯誤:
For the developer 'notabug' is sufficient as announcing the rule change is the publisher's job, not the developer's.
2023年 4月12日 17:13 • JustTim • 這並非程式錯誤:
I second what Phoxtrot is saying here, this needs to be an option.
Like probably many other players of Architects of the West Kingdom, I've never played with an expansion. So when I opened up the BGA version and tried to play I was immediately confused why it was asking me to draft an apprentice. Confusion is never the reaction you should want from players.
I thought I'd been playing the game wrong all this time, so had to go back and check the rules, spent ages reading through them, only to find there was no mention of this rule. Then searched around the web until I finally found something mentioning it as a rule from an expansion.
That is a very poor user experience for someone familiar with the game and trying to play it on BGA. Like many other games on here, the rule changes really need to be implemented as options that can be selected when starting the game, as it's very confusing otherwise - especially seeming as the linked base game rules make no mention of those changes.
Fantastic work on the implementation otherwise though, this is the only issue I've found so far.
Like probably many other players of Architects of the West Kingdom, I've never played with an expansion. So when I opened up the BGA version and tried to play I was immediately confused why it was asking me to draft an apprentice. Confusion is never the reaction you should want from players.
I thought I'd been playing the game wrong all this time, so had to go back and check the rules, spent ages reading through them, only to find there was no mention of this rule. Then searched around the web until I finally found something mentioning it as a rule from an expansion.
That is a very poor user experience for someone familiar with the game and trying to play it on BGA. Like many other games on here, the rule changes really need to be implemented as options that can be selected when starting the game, as it's very confusing otherwise - especially seeming as the linked base game rules make no mention of those changes.
Fantastic work on the implementation otherwise though, this is the only issue I've found so far.
2023年 4月13日 16:59 • jooice • 這並非程式錯誤:
The designers have come out and said that they are implementing this and the 3 spots on the guildhall track that discard 2 apprentices that was introduced in the expansion as errata rules for BGA. They also recommended people play like this all the time when playing the base game.
having it be an additional option would further divide the people playing on BGA (symmetric/asymmetric), and this is a good change.
I agree that this is not a bug as it is by design, perhaps a design choice that you don't like.
Fantastic implementation by the developer!
having it be an additional option would further divide the people playing on BGA (symmetric/asymmetric), and this is a good change.
I agree that this is not a bug as it is by design, perhaps a design choice that you don't like.
Fantastic implementation by the developer!
2023年 4月25日 15:57 • Kordalia • 這並非程式錯誤:
The problem for me is not that this rule change was implemented.
The problem is that this rule change is not stated anywhere any player would see it before playing.
The problem is that this rule change is not stated anywhere any player would see it before playing.
2023年 5月28日 11:11 • cigma • 這並非程式錯誤:
I agree with Kordalia and the others - explain this rule change at (or before) the game start!
2024年 3月 8日 14:15 • Phoxtrot • 這並非程式錯誤:
bump.
But this being said, we should mention this in the "how to play" wiki and everyone can change the wiki of his own language.
Also, if there is a small text or file somewhere with just the changes, we might add a link to it in the rules section.
I'll leave all that to someone else as I'm not really playing this game.
But this being said, we should mention this in the "how to play" wiki and everyone can change the wiki of his own language.
Also, if there is a small text or file somewhere with just the changes, we might add a link to it in the rules section.
I'll leave all that to someone else as I'm not really playing this game.
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