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#161074: "Simultaneous play"
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I know this would represent a lot of work to do correctly but it would be great.
The game is setup for up to 12 players.
Sparkle is meant to be a fast live game, a sequential turn based game with 12 players just can't be that.
This could be solved with a simultaneous play option that could work something like this:
1) Everyone plays his turn at the same time
2) Nobody can see what the other players have done for this round
2a) either until they have validated their round (this is how Railroad Ink work for instance)
2b) or until everyone has validated their round (this is how race for the galaxy works)
3) Once everyone has validated their round, everyone's play displayed in the log and possibly show in some nice manner though (with care taken so that players who aren't at the table when the rounds end can see it too)
4) Game is checked for victory conditions (if multiple players have reached the limit, it is obviously the one with the most points that wins)
5) If no one has won yet, go to next round and start again
If 2b is chosen, you can let players change their mind and make more throws as longs as the game still waits for someone (some games allow this)
I 100% would play the game this way with my friends if it was available.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
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2025年 3月11日 23:38 •
ufm • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
2025年 3月12日 2:33 • - In Farkle, other players' scores affect the decision turn by turn, but this variant heavily reduces this element.
I added simultaneous mode in Yahtzee, Dice Poker and Shut the Box, but in those games other players rarely affect the choice, as almost all cases players have 'optimal' movements.
Farkle is different - Players will (and have to) push their luck many times, even while knowing the chance is slim, because of other players.
- In Farkle, every player except who reached the score limit gets an extra turn.
However, this extra turn is disregarded in this variant.
- Don't forget not every game is meant to be turn-based compatible.
Some games simply don't go well with the turn-based mode (e.g. dexterity, trick-taking).
In short, the suggested variant is not good enough to be implemented.
I added simultaneous mode in Yahtzee, Dice Poker and Shut the Box, but in those games other players rarely affect the choice, as almost all cases players have 'optimal' movements.
Farkle is different - Players will (and have to) push their luck many times, even while knowing the chance is slim, because of other players.
- In Farkle, every player except who reached the score limit gets an extra turn.
However, this extra turn is disregarded in this variant.
- Don't forget not every game is meant to be turn-based compatible.
Some games simply don't go well with the turn-based mode (e.g. dexterity, trick-taking).
In short, the suggested variant is not good enough to be implemented.
Phoxtrot • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
2025年 3月12日 9:16 • Yeah, but this one could.
Sure it changes the tactic a little but it remains a push your luck.
Take a game like 6nimmt, it's kind of a reverse trick taking time and it is simultaneous; it would be quite boring if it wasn't. Or look at a 6 player Race for the Galaxy, 7 wonders, many rolls and writes etc...
And some do allow a part of the game to be simultaneous as an after thought with the option to go back to sequential if a player feels like order is important (Puerto Rico, New Frontiers,...).
The best analogy to Farkle is probably "Pokerdice" which has a simultaneous mode that traditional live play doesn't. Does it change the tactics ? Sure. But it works and most games with more than 2 players are played with simultaneous mode activated.
Simultaneous play, whether inbred in the design or added afterward even partially seriously help toward making a game good in turn-based mode for more than 2-3 players.
Sure it changes the tactic a little but it remains a push your luck.
Take a game like 6nimmt, it's kind of a reverse trick taking time and it is simultaneous; it would be quite boring if it wasn't. Or look at a 6 player Race for the Galaxy, 7 wonders, many rolls and writes etc...
And some do allow a part of the game to be simultaneous as an after thought with the option to go back to sequential if a player feels like order is important (Puerto Rico, New Frontiers,...).
The best analogy to Farkle is probably "Pokerdice" which has a simultaneous mode that traditional live play doesn't. Does it change the tactics ? Sure. But it works and most games with more than 2 players are played with simultaneous mode activated.
Simultaneous play, whether inbred in the design or added afterward even partially seriously help toward making a game good in turn-based mode for more than 2-3 players.
ufm • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
2025年 4月13日 6:14 •
2025年 4月15日 7:35 • I actually had a chance to test the game, and it was not bad. I stand corrected.
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