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#62199: "Instantly Win-Card - Allow active player to finish their turn"
#62199: "Instantly Win-Card - Allow active player to finish their turn"
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
The Instantly-Win-Card finishes the game instntly - so far so good. But it should allow the active player to finish their move to set their points relatively to the other players.
Depending how fast he player holding the card activates it, there is no chance in buing e.g. a colony card, which could move the active player from third to second place.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
2022年 4月 4日 20:54 • diamant • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
Rule, page 26 :
"When you use this ability, points are irrelevant; the game ends immediately and you win!"
If points are irrelevant, then there is one winner and tied losers.
Obviously, in view of your report, BGA applies a different rule, which is acceptable only if it is approved by the author or publisher of the game, and especially known to the players.
Your proposal makes sense, but it concerns an unofficial rule applied by BGA, the legitimacy of which must first be verified.
"When you use this ability, points are irrelevant; the game ends immediately and you win!"
If points are irrelevant, then there is one winner and tied losers.
Obviously, in view of your report, BGA applies a different rule, which is acceptable only if it is approved by the author or publisher of the game, and especially known to the players.
Your proposal makes sense, but it concerns an unofficial rule applied by BGA, the legitimacy of which must first be verified.
2022年 4月21日 17:40 • montsegur • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
I agree that you should have a chance to finish your move. Else it s a reaction test and nothing else who gets 2nd , 3rd , 4th and 5th. I ve just been 4th instead of second. Don t take the word IMMEDIATELY literally.
2022年 4月21日 17:46 • montsegur • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
The rules say:
When you
use this ability, points are irrelevant; the
game ends immediately and you win! Do
not finish the round. If another player has
more than 40 you win anyway.
it says Do not finish the ROUND, but you should allow to finish the turn of the active player.
When you
use this ability, points are irrelevant; the
game ends immediately and you win! Do
not finish the round. If another player has
more than 40 you win anyway.
it says Do not finish the ROUND, but you should allow to finish the turn of the active player.
2023年 3月20日 2:01 • critternation • 此建議尚未被開發者分析過:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=358406816 yes it's very frustrating I was about to go up to 3rd or 2nd here but getting robbed of my turn means I end last and rank down instead of up in arena play.
2023年 3月20日 14:09 • Shazzypaz • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
I agree that this is an issue on BGA if positions other than 1st place are ranked.
2023年 3月27日 18:50 • diamant • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
@critternation: This report is for instantaneous gain with the U. E. S. ARMSTRONG 6927-D. Now, in the game you’re referencing, this space ship is not in the hands of any player.
So, your comment is off topic, and if it still concerns an existing bug, you’d better create a new bug report.
So, your comment is off topic, and if it still concerns an existing bug, you’d better create a new bug report.
2023年10月10日 21:27 • Andrew C-137 • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
Been discussing this with my regular play group and seems that it should go one of two ways:
If you're going to place players using their score up till that point (which goes contrary to the SB ruleset), you should let the turn finish so that rewards may be collected. That could mean the difference between 4th and 2nd and shouldn't be dictated by player's mousing abilities.
I believe that it probably should end right away and the points are irrelevant as the rule states, but the question is: "Is everyone tied for the first available place (i.e. 2nd) or is everyone tied for last?"
In most cases ties go to the first available place, which we see in BGA behaviour when two people are tied for 2nd for example (40, 36, 36, 31). While it's tempting to say "of course that's how you do it," I would suggest that doing it that way might lessen the win of the player using the You Win card. I don't know enough about how ELO is implemented here, but if the winner's gain is based on the position of each player in a multi player game, then the other players finishing 4th might result in better ELO gain for the winner.
In any case, the BGA system may not allow for "setting places" so probably the only practical thing to do is when the You Win is activated, that the other players scores is reset to 0 and they all tie for second.
If you're going to place players using their score up till that point (which goes contrary to the SB ruleset), you should let the turn finish so that rewards may be collected. That could mean the difference between 4th and 2nd and shouldn't be dictated by player's mousing abilities.
I believe that it probably should end right away and the points are irrelevant as the rule states, but the question is: "Is everyone tied for the first available place (i.e. 2nd) or is everyone tied for last?"
In most cases ties go to the first available place, which we see in BGA behaviour when two people are tied for 2nd for example (40, 36, 36, 31). While it's tempting to say "of course that's how you do it," I would suggest that doing it that way might lessen the win of the player using the You Win card. I don't know enough about how ELO is implemented here, but if the winner's gain is based on the position of each player in a multi player game, then the other players finishing 4th might result in better ELO gain for the winner.
In any case, the BGA system may not allow for "setting places" so probably the only practical thing to do is when the You Win is activated, that the other players scores is reset to 0 and they all tie for second.
2023年10月10日 21:53 • Shazzypaz • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
@Andrew C-137: It's not just an issue for players' mousing abilities. It's also an issue in turn-based games where some players aren't online to play their next turn before the You Win card is activated. So players have not had an equal chance to score points for the ranking. I hadn't considered that all players would be tied for 2nd. At the moment I am thinking that players would be ranked by their final score, which is consistent with other games - if you don't think you can win, then play for 2nd; there should be a way to at least elevate your position.
I don't yet have permission from the publisher to implement any variants like this.
I don't yet have permission from the publisher to implement any variants like this.
2023年10月11日 1:42 • Andrew C-137 • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
@Shazzypaz Indeed - the Turn-Based issue is even more prominent (I don't play TB games so wasn't top of mind).
For sure - either way would be an improvement - let the turn finish or rank all the non winning players the same. IMHO I think ranking them all the same would be more consistent with the standard rules of the game as it does say "When you use this ability, <B>points are irrelevant</B>; the game ends immediately and you win!"
I often play for 2nd place when it's clear someone else is going to win, but feel like getting ranked after the You Win gets activated isn't a great metric.
It will be interesting to see what JDC and the folks at AEG say - it may not even be a variant; rather a move to adhere closer to the rules.
Thanks for looking into this!
For sure - either way would be an improvement - let the turn finish or rank all the non winning players the same. IMHO I think ranking them all the same would be more consistent with the standard rules of the game as it does say "When you use this ability, <B>points are irrelevant</B>; the game ends immediately and you win!"
I often play for 2nd place when it's clear someone else is going to win, but feel like getting ranked after the You Win gets activated isn't a great metric.
It will be interesting to see what JDC and the folks at AEG say - it may not even be a variant; rather a move to adhere closer to the rules.
Thanks for looking into this!
2023年11月26日 17:26 • Pseudo Q • 開發者認同這是個好點子,並計劃實行:
Our game of it just finished with the "You Win" card, with some people benefiting from Red rewards, and others not, which changed relative order of those in 2nd and below, and rank points won/lost might have been different.
Either everyone should get their benefits, or nobody should, not just the active player.
Either everyone should get their benefits, or nobody should, not just the active player.
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