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#74202: "Please randomize cards for shark draws"
I noticed my most powerful cards are getting stolen more often than others so the players at my table tested and it seems true. The game automatically sorts the highest value cards to the top of your hand so anytime your opponents steal, all they have to do is steal the first card in the stack to get your best card.
#74202: "Please randomize cards for shark draws"
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建議:依我所見,有些調整將大幅增進遊戲完成度
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建議:依我所見,有些調整將大幅增進遊戲完成度
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• 如果可以的話,請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 請說明你當時想做什麼,你做了什麼,然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 當你不能動作時,螢幕上顯示什麼?(螢幕全黑?部份遊戲介面?錯誤訊息?)
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏?
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到?若可以是在哪步?(重播時左上角資訊)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動?
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼?
• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步?(當前遊戲指示是什麼)
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼(錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...)?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎?若為真,其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時?
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議,以便讓人一目了然。
When player A plays a SHARK + SWIMMER combo, player B's cards should be randomized for the draw. It makes no sense for the cards to be sorted by type: no real-life player would keep all his mermaids on the right side and all his sharks on the left for the other player to pick exactly what they need. Yet when I steal from my opponent and I know they have a shark/swimmer, I click on their left-most card (as I see them) and voila! I have their shark/swimmer in my hand. Mermaids and other "points-only" cards (penguins, shells, lighthouse etc.) will be toward the right. People who know this have an advantage over newer players and it makes the game unfair.• 你的瀏覽器是什麼?
Mozilla v5
案件沿革
2022年10月21日 0:15 • thoun • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
It is random, in fact the card you click is never sent to the server ;) you can check the code if you doubt, you're not the first
2022年11月 2日 4:39 • OutOfHabit • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
Why do we even have have to select a card? I get selecting a player, but should not have to pick a card.
And should be automatic for 2-player games
And should be automatic for 2-player games
2022年11月12日 13:58 • This1KidTaylor • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
I noticed my most powerful cards are getting stolen more often than others so the players at my table tested and it seems true. The game automatically sorts the highest value cards to the top of your hand so anytime your opponents steal, all they have to do is steal the first card in the stack to get your best card.
2022年11月28日 19:36 • applegummy • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
I agree with this report, when I click on the right most card of the other players hand and I know they have a mermaid, I have noticed I will likely get a mermaid and vice versa. Please look into this even if this shouldn't be the case as it's getting replicated
2022年12月14日 16:20 • Lou_00 • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
I agree, I am experiencing exactly the same issue. If I know that my adv. has a mermaid, I need to clic on the right card of his hands to be sure I'm stealing the mermaid.
2022年12月30日 20:01 • ccllaauuddiiaa • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
I agree with the other players, I recognized this as well, especially in tournament
2023年 1月 5日 21:52 • Otithes • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
It is NOT random. Mermaids tend to be on the right; the first card taken by the opponent tends to be on the left; random picks tend to give you whatever card the other player took last; and so on. I don’t know how it works, but experienced players are exploiting this and it breaks the game.
2023年 1月 5日 21:55 • thoun • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
Please check the code source, or simply the request sent to the server, if you don't trust my answer
2023年 1月 5日 22:52 • thoun • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
Here is an image of the network call you'll see when you steal, if you open F12 to network tab. As you can see, only the player id is sent, no cardId or card order. Do the test yourself if you don't trust me, or check the source code on my github (github.com/thoun)
imgur.com/a/Xg9J3Vi
imgur.com/a/Xg9J3Vi
2023年 1月19日 19:32 • Pricantora • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
Stealing should be of a random card after choosing the player you want to steal from. Don't let us choose a card!! My opponent can tell the order of my cards, therefore, it does not mimic the real game.
2023年 9月 4日 22:31 • silkkii • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
I checked the source code, relevant line here:
$card = $cardsInHand[bga_rand(1, $cardsNumber) - 1];
Isn't the function bga_rand(min, max) and card numbers go from 0 onwards? by starting from card number 1, it would always omit first card in that players hand, no?
So in case player you steal from has 2 cards, it would always pick the second card no matter what, unless I'm missing something here (like first card being special or card numbers starting from 1 instead of 0 - but then that -1 would omit the last card on that players hand instead).
$card = $cardsInHand[bga_rand(1, $cardsNumber) - 1];
Isn't the function bga_rand(min, max) and card numbers go from 0 onwards? by starting from card number 1, it would always omit first card in that players hand, no?
So in case player you steal from has 2 cards, it would always pick the second card no matter what, unless I'm missing something here (like first card being special or card numbers starting from 1 instead of 0 - but then that -1 would omit the last card on that players hand instead).
2023年 9月 4日 22:34 • thoun • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
There is a - 1 after bga_rand, so same result as writing $cardsInHand[bga_rand(0, $cardsNumber - 1)];
2023年 9月 4日 22:49 • thoun • 開發者認為這並非好主意,或投資報酬率過低:
I made the same mistake the first time I checked my code after this bug report :) I don't remember why I wrote it this way, but it's still correct.
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