#88962: "Undo?"
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細節描述
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• 如果可以的話，請轉貼螢幕顯示的錯誤訊息。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 請說明你當時想做什麼，你做了什麼，然後發生了什麼事
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 當你不能動作時，螢幕上顯示什麼？（螢幕全黑？部份遊戲介面？錯誤訊息？）
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 遊戲規則的哪部分在 BGA 版本有所錯漏？
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 這項違反規則之處可否在遊戲重播中看到？若可以是在哪步？（重播時左上角資訊）
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 你當時想採取哪個遊戲行動？
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 你想觸發這個遊戲行動時做了什麼？
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• 當你試著這麼做時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 問題發生在遊戲的哪一步？（目前遊戲指示是什麼）
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 當你試著進行遊戲動作時發生了什麼（錯誤訊息、遊戲狀態條訊息...）？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 請描述顯示問題。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 請轉貼未翻譯的英文字句。 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 這些文字存在於 翻譯系統 中嗎？若為真，其是否已被翻譯超過 24 小時？
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
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• 請簡明精確地解釋你的建議，以便讓人一目了然。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• 你的瀏覽器是什麼？
Google Chrome v113
案件沿革
A: Add a "Return to start of Local phase" button, available only when new cards haven't been revealed.
+ Fairly straightforward
- Other players can undo your actions
- Any sort of R+D disables this
B: Add a "Undo actions since other players' most recent action or since you last drew cards" button
+ Fairly reliable in a turn-based game
- Fairly useless in a real-time game
- Even just the description of that button can tell you that it's going to be frustrating to use
C: Add a smart "Undo all of my actions" button that doesn't undo anything affecting other players
+ This would be pretty nice
- This would be really hard
D: Add an "Undo most recent action" button, with no option to undo further than that
+ Relatively simple, probably meets most players' needs
+ Probably unnecessary to consider what other players have done since; we can disable the button if the most recent action gave a card to another player or revealed new cards
- Players will definitely ask for more
- Rolling back just part of the game state is still very difficult even for atomic actions
Undo is a feature we wanted from the beginning, but the game's format makes it less feasible to implement for the reasons Mogri described. If you'd like to discuss some options, let's email directly and brainstorm together.
Option D is what I'd hoped for and would be really valuable in terms of player experience.
By the nature of the game, many actions will prevent you from undoing your action. These include tucking a card under a global or crisis card (because other players' action may gain bonuses after that point), changes that affect the board such as adding cubes to the thermometer, transferring cards or communities in crisis to/from other players, and many more actions. Basically, actions that have an effect on other players' actions cannot be undone.
As you play around with the new undo system, hopefully you can help us decide whether it's an improvement or whether it creates confusion. While we're certain that a more expansive version of undo will always be requested, we've already made efforts to allow it in every feasible situation (it even undiscards cards that you have spent if they're still in the discard pile). Consequently, we've reached the limit of the undo option and we're now evaluating whether the new system will be beneficial for players in its current state.
為本案件添加內容
- 其他同樣狀況的桌號／步數
- 按 F5 是否解決了這個問題？
- 問題是否發生了好幾次？每次都發生？時好時壞？
- 建議將此錯誤的螢幕截圖上傳到 Imgur.com 並轉貼連結。
